@queen-lance made a post that reminded me of the thoughts I've long had about these panels.
This is Ollie, explaining to Mia why he's not going to train her to become Speedy, no matter how much she pouts about it. And he's right to be concerned about enabling kids to jump into this crazy life that he leads. This is an Ollie who saw this life lead his son down a dark path that could have killed him. Who saw his best friend go out of his mind and murder people, who had to kill said best friend, and who then died, himself. He's grown, he's changed, and he's seen first-hand what this life can do to a person -- and he doesn't want that for Mia. From the first moment he met her, he saw her as a child who wasn't being treated like a child -- and when she eventually came under his care, by God, he was going to make sure that she had the childhood she always deserved. To Ollie, getting involved in this superhero game is the opposite of that. It's taking that childhood away again, inflicting new scars atop the old ones that still haven't healed. To Ollie, sending Mia out there into harm's way is barely any different than sending her back to the life she came from. But the reason that it falls flat in Mia's eyes is because... well... look what he's saying, and who he's saying it to. This is a rich boy who grew up privileged, who didn't realize how spoiled and selfish he was until reality slapped him in the face, telling a girl who grew up abused by someone who should have loved and protected her, who hasn't known anything except the worst, dirtiest things that people can do to a child, that "it's a nastier world out there now". Can you imagine how absolutely, frustratingly laughable that must sound to her? "Local dweeb finds out world is actually pretty shitty, film at 11." This "nastier world" isn't new to her. It's the way the world has always been. It's not going to stop being nasty just because she lives with Ollie now. Her childhood isn't actually something she can ever get back -- and she tells him so at least once when she talks about her dad, that she stopped being a child a long time ago. He's telling her that keeping her at home is keeping her safe from the bad guys... but the bad guys in her life were at home the whole time. She doesn't want to become a superhero because she's a thrill-seeker, or because she's naïve about the true nature of the world. In her eyes, the world is going to be cruel either way -- the difference is whether she's being empowered to fight back, or whether she's going to keep struggling to fight back. She's going to fight either way -- because that's what she is, a fighter -- but there's a difference between surviving and thriving. Superheroing, to Mia, is fighting the fight against this dirty world with better tools. Ollie has the ability to train her into someone with the skills to protect herself more effectively, and -- even more importantly -- to protect other people. Because that's something that's important to her, which she'll express to him later on: the ability to be, for someone else, the person who should have been there for her and never was... until the day Ollie handed her a little business card that gave her the little bit of hope that she needed in order to save herself. The very first person, in her entire life, to reach a hand out to her in kindness was a stranger in bright tights, toting around a bow. Is it really any wonder that she wanted so badly to be that tight-wearing stranger for someone else?
To Ollie, superheroing was stepping out of his relatively safe world and choosing one that's full of fighting and pain in order to sacrifice for others. To Mia, it's acquiring a new and improved arsenal to meet a world that was never safe in the first place, that was already full of fighting and pain -- an arsenal that allows her the choice of how she's going to experience that pain, and what she's going to do with it, instead of being a slave to it.
I truly believe from this scene here and this line of
"I would've appreciated someone would have poked their nose into what was happening at my dad's house"
Was the exact moment where Mia got the idea of possibly being a hero. And shows what she would want to do with it. Help others the way she wished she was helped as a child.
I eventually want to write a whole post or two talking about the differences and similarities of Ollie and Mia and Bruce and Cass because both are fascinating in how they basically get their adopted daughters only a few years apart and how they view and treat them. But one of the most intriguing differences is in how Ollie and Bruce treat the idea of their daughters killing
Bruce is sent footage showing Cassandra's first and only kill at the age of 8 and he immediately believes it to be fake because he can't imagine Cass ever being able to take a life since she understands her mission and his no killing rule to her very core. So even the idea of Cassandra being able to kill is something he doesn't believe and refuses to even think about.
Ollie meanwhile sees Mia kill a man on her first night out before even becoming Speedy because the city needed all the help it could get at the time and the man who was accidentally responsible begged Ollie to kill him to prevent more damage and Mia out of fear and believing his threats of more pain and loss shoots an arrow killing him. And while Ollie is shocked he doesn't blame Mia. He understands she thought she was doing the right thing and is clearly already kicking herself enough as is so he just comforts her and never blames Mia for his death. In fact he blames himself for letting her out with him in the first place.
It's just one of the many interesting parallels you can draw between these two father-daughter duos
Behold the trio of Blonde teenage girl heroines fucked over by DC
You know when the first issues of Joshua Williamson run of Green Arrow was coming out and Mia wasn't even mentioned at all by any of the characters even in passing I thought part of the plot was gonna be that her existence was wiped from them by something (Maybe as a result of all that Doctor Manhattan New 52 Stuff) and part of the plot was going to be them remembering her.
But
No they knew who she was and recognized her immediately so they remembered her.
Which leads to my question of "WHY THE FUCK DID NONE OF YOU TRY TO FIND HER?"
You mean to tell me you guys knew Mia was somewhere in the world and you didn't try to find her at all or hell just mention she existed
No mention of his fucking daughter?!
You wanna convince me that Ollie wouldn't immediately search the entire world doing whatever he needed to do to get Mia back? Part of his arc is him willing to do "anything to protect his family" I guess that anything doesn't include even remotely trying to find her at all.
And all of this could have just been fixed by a simple box text of "But I'm missing one member. Mia Dearden. My daughter. I've been trying to find her. So far I've been unsuccessful." It's not that hard.
Come on!
They're such gremlins
I love them
My brain came up with an idea and you're all gonna suffer with me.
Okay so Mia has this scene right before she leaves her street life forever.
Now imagine her as Speedy being able to be the hero she wished she had as a kid!
Imagine her being able to keep another girl from being abused by her father like she was!
DC, Please! I need it!
To take it even further, Speedy becomes a symbol of hope and strength for the young abused girls of Star City. They will always try to find her to help them because she's their hero.
My brain came up with an idea and you're all gonna suffer with me.
Okay so Mia has this scene right before she leaves her street life forever.
Now imagine her as Speedy being able to be the hero she wished she had as a kid!
Imagine her being able to keep another girl from being abused by her father like she was!
DC, Please! I need it!
character bingo for mia, kory, and roy pls
Mia:
My Baby Girl! My Daughter! I love her so much! She's the best and she deserves so much better from DC!
Kory:
My Queen! It is she! One of the best heroines of all time! I love her so much! 😭😭😭
Roy:
My second favorite male hero! The boy! I love him so much! One of the best heroes and best DC Dad ever! I'm so glad him and Lian are back together! 🥹🥹🥹🥹❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
Thanks for the Ask, Sweetie! 😁
Love ya as always! 😃
Character Ask Bingo: Cassie, Mia and Cissie
Cassie:
BINGO! 😁
A couple of these come with the caveats of only her original WW Run and YJ. Baby girl I love you so much, I'm so sorry that DC forced you to be more girly. You will always be the baddest tomboy bitch in my eyes.
Mia:
Another Bingo! 😁
My baby girl. My daughter. My everything. I love her so much and DC never treats her right and I hate them for it. She's so amazing. She deserves the world.
Cissie:
Sadly not a bingo but I still love her. She's great. I'm sad after YJ she basically disappeared (Along with Anita and Greta) and is only brought back now to be a hero but she doesn't want to be a hero. She's an example of not everyone wants to be a hero. She's absolutely skilled enough to be a hero but she doesn't wanna be. I wish DC would put more care into their civilian characters again. They're just as important to the heroes but it feels like if you aren't connected to Superman or Batman then if you aren't a hero, DC doesn't care about you. Let her come back more just not as a hero.
Thanks for the Ask buddy 😁
Say you’re an editor of the 1998 Young Justice book around the year 2002; it’s been agreed upon that the book should continue as it after Cissie, Anita, Slobo and Greta have left the team. A writer then comes up props for newer members to join them being,
Mia Dearden as a new Speedy
Cassandra Cain aka Batgirl
And Rose Wilson (Prior to the whole removal of her eye thing)
All with a new overseer to fill in for Red Tornado’s position, Beast Boy
Thoughts on this idea and if it passes or would you do something entirely different?
So Mia wasn't Speedy til '05 however I do like the idea she could still be friends with much of YJ
Cass could also work she was kinda part of the backup group of YJ like allies they could call like Freddy Freeman. But I'd like her to also be part of YJ
Rose is complicated. Her being on YJ reminds me too much of her time on the Teen Titans and the less said about that to me the better because I'm not a fan of that version of Rose.
I also don't see Beast Boy being an overseer on the team. They'd need someone more responsible and Gar just isn't. I think Snapper was already doing a rather good job of being the new oversight at the time.
I would also not have Anita leave the team. Yes she had her situation with her parents being babies but she still liked being a hero and I don't see leaving like Cissie. I would just have her parents turn back to their normal age and have her continue to be on the team.
I love that Mia can just chat on the phone about a special arrow with Roy while making arrows in shop class. The Arrowfam doesn't care about secret identities at all.
......I may have a favorite trope.