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An outlet for a California girl's passion for Boublil and Schönberg's musical "Les Misérables." See also my WordPress blog devoted to opera, Pamina's Opera House (www.paminasopera.com)
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“Enjolras was a charming young man, who was capable of being terrible. He was angelically handsome. He was a savage Antinous.”

“Combeferre was as gentle as Enjolras was severe, through natural whiteness. He loved the word citizen, but he preferred the word man.”

Enjolras was the chief, Combeferre was the guide, Courfeyrac was the centre. The others gave more light, he shed more warmth; the truth is, that he possessed all the qualities of a centre, roundness and radiance “

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Comparison: “Let us die facing our foes...” “Let others rise to take our place until the earth is free!”

In honor of Barricade Day, more than 30 minutes of Enjolras’s heroic last words.

One small mistake in the credits: Jeremy Hays’ 2010 Enjolras wasn’t in London, but in the US tour. I saw him in the role that year in LA.

Once again, we hear some interesting differences over the years. From 1985 until the early ‘90s, apart from the last line, this passage was different in London than anywhere else in the world. The original London lyrics are hard to make out, but according to @miserablesme, they were...

Enjolras

Come on, my friends, though we stand here alone,

Let us go to our deaths with our face to our foes!

Combeferre

Let ‘em pay for each death with a death of their own!

Courfeyrac

If they get me, by God, they will pay through the nose!

Apparently not until 1992 or thereabout did London adopt the familiar lyrics that were already being sung in US and Australian productions:

Enjolras

Let us die facing our foes!

Make them bleed while we can!

Combeferre

Make ‘em pay through the nose!

Courfeyrac

Make ‘em pay for every man!

The more succinct revised lyrics are definitely an improvement, although I do like the staccato sound of the originals.

As for comparing the Enjolras actors, there’s definitely been a general lightening of voices over the years, although it’s less dramatic a difference than we hear when we compare Marius voices. The days of hearing heavy, almost Javert-like baritones in the role seems to have more-or-less ended with the turn of the millennium. With this lightening of voices has come the introduction of the high B-flat on “...free!” which was apparently first heard around 1997, before which the word had always been shouted. Although interestingly, for a long time that note seems to have been exclusively a London feature, with US and Australian actors still either shouting the word or singing it on the same low note as the army officer’s “Why throw your lives away?” Only starting around 2013 and 2014 (i.e. after Aaron Tveit sang it in the 2012 movie) do we hear the occasional American Enjolras take on the high B-flat too.

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Anonymous asked:

Hi!Hi! Les mis question. So I'm a littel confused as to which of the Amis has the surrogate father to Gavroche. In the production I saw in London, it was quite clearly Grantaire, he was the only one in a green waist coat (which is a really nice visual considering his character) However, in all the movie clips it looks like someone else? Is this open to interpirtation or did the versions swap around characters?

I was in the midst of making my episode 3 summary when I got this question so talk about coincidences. 

I’m not the biggest expert Les Mis scholar ever (there’s a lot of more suited people around tumblr, maybe @pilferingapples can help out more than I can) but I don’t think any of the Amis was in canon a “father figure” to Gavroche per se, Gavroche himself was a sort of father for his two younger siblings though, at one point, in a way, when they end up in the streets and for a short while. He does talk with the students and all, interacts with a good bunch of them, but I don’t think there was something as strong as a father figure bond because Gavroche’s character is very centered on his independence and the gamin archetype in a socially compromised context. 

The musical introduced that “father figure” thing, for what I know and what people has described, and maybe what you mean is that in the 2012 movie version Courfeyrac is shown to have a much stronger bond with Gavroche than the rest of them, he’s the one who lets him speak and who is shown visibly distressed by his passing and has to be forced to not go try to retrieve him when he’s being shot (Combeferre stops him in this version). In the brick, Courfeyrac does speak with Gavroche when he goes to retrieve the bullets, the scene isn’t quite like in the movie but he does insist him to go back. From the Hapgood translation: 

“What are you doing there?” asked Courfeyrac.Gavroche raised his face:–“I’m filling my basket, citizen.”“Don’t you see the grape-shot?”Gavroche replied:“Well, it is raining. What then?”Courfeyrac shouted:–“Come in!”“Instanter,” said Gavroche.And with a single bound he plunged into the street.

It’s also Courfeyrac who tells him to “come along” when he joins them on their way in the Marche Saint-Jean. I’m not as well-versed in all things brick-related to remember Gavroche’s interactions with Grantaire, if any of note, to compare, but I guess what I mean is that maybe this is why the movie went for Courfeyrac for a sort of bond, albeit in the brick nobody was any kind of “father figure”, I don’t think. 

Most stage productions that take this stance make Grantaire the one who’s more with him, you’re correct about that. This is something fanon has accepted widely, maybe because fanon has a very usual interpretation on Grantaire and Éponine being friends (there’s a long discussion about why that is that I made in a post at one point, it’s an interesting debate), so maybe both things together can be why fanon sticks to the idea of Grantaire being a sort of “father figure”. Why the musical decided to go on that route, I’m not sure, maybe to give Grantaire a more visual characterization aside from being drunk all the time, especially since his death scene was changed, or maybe one staging did it and it stuck, I need musical historians for this. 

In any case, I think the answer would be, if I’m not completely mistaken and people are allowed to call me out if I am: Gavroche doesn’t have what we can refer as a “father figure” among the students in the book, most of the musical productions make Grantaire the “father figure” if you will, the 2012 movie makes Courfeyrac that figure, maybe based on some of the most crucial Gavroche interactions with students in the book happen with Courfeyrac, albeit not with the intensity depicted in the movie. 

God, I hope I answered your question well enough. 

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omg , I’m so glad you tagged me in to talk about Gavroche!

Short answer: 

Yeah, the stage musical these days gives Gavroche a close relationship with Grantaire, for whatever reason;  I know that’s a *somewhat* new thing, in the sense that the show is several decades strong and it wasn’t there right at first, but I also know it’s been going for several years at least!  ( @cometomecosette , @laughingmistress, you know a lot more about the Musical History; do you know when this kicked in?) 

The 2012 movie definitely has Gavroche being closest to Courfeyrac!  A very reasonable change. 

…and yeah, way more relevant to the book’s portrayal of them both than having Gavroche hang around with Grantaire, which…I have no idea where or when that got made a thing?  But like the robbery in the square, it’s musical-exclusive. 

Book-wise (if that’s relevant; it’s not, really, if you’re just checking musical versions) , Gavroche has his main interactions with  (in no particular order) Courfeyrac, Marius (post-powder-barrel stunt), quite a lot with Enjolras, and with Bahorel, who he adopts as his Favorite Adult (and I hope you appreciate the Willpower I am deploying now in not going On about that XD).   Grantaire never even meets him, as far as we’re told in the novel. 

Now I am hoping more musical-focused bloggers will volunteer some stage history!

I’m not quite sure when the Gavroche/Grantaire bond became a thing onstage. It’s been a trend for as long as I’ve known the show, which is 19 years. (Hey, I’ve been a Les Mis fan exactly as long as Valjean spends in Toulon!)

It’s always been standard blocking for Grantaire to stand with comforting hands on Gavroche’s shoulders while the whole barricade is watching Éponine die. The classic Michael Ball/Frances Ruffelle “A Little Fall of Rain” photo shows Clive Carter’s Grantaire doing just that in the background. 

Whether the staging has always had them as buddies throughout, or whether that one bit of blocking grew into something more in future actors’ hands, I don’t know. As for why it’s Grantaire… well, maybe it’s just because he’s the most prominent of all the Amis in the musical. Or maybe they wanted to show him as clearly having a lot of “heart” to make up for his lack of idealism and a strong bond with the little boy was an easy way to do it.

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Another question about Marius

Could someone remind me if Hugo’s Marius shows any signs of PTSD after the barricades?

I don’t have time at the moment to reread and analyze all the relevant Brick chapters.

Of course in the musical, Empty Chairs at Empty Tables makes a PTSD diagnosis easy to infer: his irrational survivor’s guilt, his hallucinating his dead friends, etc. But I don’t remember him showing similar symptoms in the novel. The only possible example I can think of is the description of how  his friends would sometimes “appear” before him and he would relive all the barricade experiences. I always assumed that passage was just describing memories, but I suppose it could also be describing flashbacks. That’s a debatable example, though, and I don’t remember him showing any other textbook symptoms at all.

Yet the idea that he has PTSD tends to be accepted as more-or-less canon by fans of both the musical and the Brick. I’ve read exclusively novel-based metas that casually mention Marius’s “severe PTSD” post-barricades. Are those people projecting Empty Chairs at Empty Tables onto the Brick? Or does Hugo’s Marius display any symptoms that I’m forgetting?

Thank you for making this post. I’ve always wanted to write a post on this matter but just never figured out how to word my thoughts. I was introduced into this fandom by the 2012 movie. ECAET was really a powerful song and Eddie’s acting was amazing. Naturally, when I read the novel several months later, I was nervously expecting Marius’ heartbreaking post-barricade trauma. But NOTHING HAPPENED. I’m not sure if you remember this conversation between Gillenormand and Marius where Gillenormand asks Marius where his friend (Courfeyrac) is and Marius is like “oh well he’s dead”. I…I couldn’t believe what I read. I always have the impression that in the book Marius isn’t really close to Les Amis, so it totally makes sense that there isn’t a full chapter of his ECAET-ing, but for god’s sake this is Courfeyrac he’s talking about? He’s one of Marius’ only two friends in the world, who lets him live in his apartment without even knowing him and takes care of him after he’s kicked out from his family. How can he be so calm, so indifferent to the death of a friend as if he were talking about some random stranger he read about in the news? 

Hmm... Well, some people do deal with grief by not wanting to talk or even think about the people they’ve lost. We certainly see that with Valjean, in the way he puts his biological family out of his mind once it’s clear he’ll never reunite with them. I suppose that could even be another PTSD symptom, since they say it’s common for the sufferer to be unable to talk or even consciously think much about the traumatic event.

Alternately, Hugo could have just thought it was more moving to be understated at that point. To let the readers fill in the blanks and imagine all the emotions that must lie behind Marius’s simple “He’s dead.” He used similar understatement to great effect with Éponine, after all; by mainly describing her from others’ points of view, having her hide her misery behind a laughing, babbling, street-tough facade, and only hinting at her pain with a somber expression here, a brief loss for words there, etc. With all due respect to the musical, it’s definitely more fascinating and in a way more poignant to portray her that way on the page than if there were long emotional passages voicing her inner angst. He may have been aiming for a similar effect with Marius regarding Courfeyrac’s death.

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So I just realized that every time a writer gives Enjolras a short fuse with a big explosion, they’re mistaking him with Courfeyrac.

Because even though he is capable of being terrible, he is actually overwhelmingly charming. Le Cabuc was a powerful scene not just because it was swift and merciless, but because it came suddenly. Les Amis didn’t expect it.

But Courfeyrac flips his shit and throws their copy of the Charter into the fire while having a friendly debate.

He knows Combeferre is playing the Devil’s Advocate. He doesn’t give a fuck. Monarchies are wrong.

He is their sanguine, passionate core.

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guys i’m rly tired and can’t remember…in the les mis movie, which dude is it with the black curly hair??? like the barricade dude who gets super extra wrecked when gavroche dies…not the actor’s name, the actual character, there’s like a dozen different barricade bros and i can’t think…idek if he has any individual sung lines but obvis it’s not enjolras and i’m almost positive it’s not grantaire…i’m so sleepy pls help

Courfeyrac, played by Fra Fee.

He has a few individual lines, but not many. In the novel he’s Marius’s best friend and the one who introduces him to the other barricade boys, but like all the rest, his role is smaller in the musical.

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