Clint Eastwood on set of A Fistful Of Dollars, 1964, © Tazio Secchiaroli
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Clint Eastwood on the set of “A Fistful of Dollars”
We Need to Talk About Joe (But Not Only Him!)
I know that Joe isn’t everyone’s favorite simply because he’s got no pairing attached to him, and I can respect that. Still, I love and respect him a lot (A LOT), and with this post and the next one I want to answer two questions that many people usually ask themselves when they watch A Fistful of Dollars.
1) Why is traditional narrative subverted, and Joe doesn’t fall in love with Marisol?
2) Who is he talking about when he risks his life for Marisol’s family, mentioning somebody he knew once who found themselves in a similar position but nobody came to help?
So. First one is easy. Joe is gay.
Think me one of those overexcited teens who head canon all their faves as gays if you want to, but it doesn’t change the fact that he is heavily coded as a homosexual man. Let’s see.
The first time he sees Marisol and smiles at her, and she flees back into the house:
Joe is concerned by the situation with Marisol and her family, which he just witnessed, and he doesn’t get why Marisol flees when he offers her friendliness after seeing her in distress. She most likely assumes that he’s hitting on her in that moment, which Ramon wouldn’t like at all, but Joe is just being nice, like he so often, if not to say always, is. He likes people, and he likes things, treating both with respect and certain amount of sympathy by default. His first response to finding himself being laughed at and dangling from some lamp post after the humiliating, highly unpleasant encounter with Baxters is to politely greet Silvanito, who is watching him and replies saludos in amusement.
Which brings us to the fact that Joe is very, very gentle. Soft-spoken. Playful. There are heterosexual and bisexual men who would fit the characteristics as well, but if you think about cinema as an ultra complex structure where everything stands for something else because only then you can effectively create meaning, you’ll realize that it’s rather atypical - and main characters are all about prototyping - especially for the American cinema of the 1960s, to have a male protagonist, especially in a Western, which is traditionally the genre that supplies the American society with the icons of rough masculinity, to be not assertive but at the very least nuanced by all of the above.
Then, we’ve got the way Joe interacts with women and the way he interacts with men. We’ve got Marisol, whom he protects, shows her respect, and compassion. At no point is he shown to be interested in her, even though she is a striking beauty. He never makes an insinuation or anything even remotely similar about it either. When he carries her to the Baxters to make sure that she is okay, he does it neutrally, there is no moment of hesitation or impropriety or the like. He doesn’t make any insinuation when he ambushes Mrs. Baxter either, he just informs her that he isn’t going to hurt her. And when he husband comes into the room, after disarming him, Joe coldly explains that he did as a precaution because men tend to get territorial when there are other men around their spouses. He elicited the same reaction from Ramon later, when he spoke to Marisol, simply showing consideration towards her. If there was any interest in either of the women on his part his cinematically constructed point of view or the script would have reflected that - as an aside, as a close-up, as something. But no, Joe simply perceives women as human beings, towards whom he is friendly but neutral.
On the other hand, his way of interacting with men is, well, different.
He either watches them unblinkingly, smiling, or coquettishly blinks a lot, and tilts his head, he needlessly touches his face or slows down his movements. He obviously unconsciously cares about the way he is perceived by them - and not as a threat or an opponent or somebody who could dominate them, on contrary, he is, to a very small degree, showing submissiveness. He also confuses them by doing so because he appears courteous and emotionally accessible, which is not something traditionally associated with masculine gender performance and heterosexuality.
And speaking of performance and appearance, even though Joe has the same basic recognizable attributes as Manco or - partially - Blondie, he leaves an impression that’s nothing like them. Just compare this:
And this:
To THIS:
(And there are people who say Clint can’t act, imagine being that insensible, lol.)
And here are some more mannerism to drive the point home:
So, yeah. I’m not the one making the rules. Joe is heavily coded as gay. Manco, on the other hand, is coded bisexually. And Blondie, well, is a difficult but also very interesting case because he is an autist and a virgin.
This is it. This is the film.
A Fistful of Dollars (1964) dir. Sergio Leone Alternative poster by Yvan Quinet
Clint Eastwood is an amazing actor.
If you have a problem with me saying that, you can find me outside the saloon at sunrise.
Bond title designer Ben Radatz explores the Spaghetti Western tradition of designer Iginio Lardani. A Fistful of Titles: The Westerns of Iginio Lardani on Art of the Title
Just remembered I never posted this meme
I don’t think it’s nice, you laughing. You see, my mule don’t like people laughing. He gets the crazy idea you’re laughing at him. Now if you apologize, like I know you’re going to, I might convince him that you really didn’t mean it. Clint Eastwood as Joe in PER UN PUGNO DI DOLLARI (A Fistful of Dollars, 1964) | dir. Sergio Leone
Clint Eastwood has...really long, nimble looking fingers--uuuhhuhhh I thirst
TRUEST THING I'VE READ ALL DAY.
Let's indulge for a moment.....
Not to mention, imagine him grabbing YOU (my dearest anon) by the shirt collar and pulling YOU close, like this:
WOOF 😩😩
Goddammit I just found out you like A Fistful of Dollars and now I'm legally obligated to follow you
Hehe, and I am legally obliged to follow you for your love of Clint Eastwood! 💜This blog sure needs more for love for his work. I am a bit deprived. As far as I am concerned, there would be no RDR without him (or at least not for me, anyway 😵)
I have seen wayyyyyy more Eastwood films than is probably healthy.... But you know what? I have zero regrets, and I am damn proud of it.
You name it, and more likely than not, I’ve seen it. From Paint Your Wagon to Unforgiven - I love it all. I even enjoyed Ambush at Cimarron Pass solely because come on, Clint’s character losing a fight like a pathetic little bitch?! That is some golden shit right there. Hilarious.
Anyhow, thanks for the message! My inbox is always open, especially when it comes to showing love for/discussing films.
I sincerely hope you have a marvelous day!!! 😘😘😘
I'm the dollars anon again, and I really hope I'm not bugging you by sending you another ask, but I'm so glad you've seen those movies heh heh heh, Two Mules For Sister Sara literally made me laugh my ass off--and the theme is beautiful, it's one of my favorite from Morricone!! And as for High Plains Drifter!!! I thought he was either the brother of the late marshal, OR the ghost of the marshal himself!! He was truly wicked, either way, but it really was a good film!
Another note: I have heard of Paint Your Wagon! And as soon as I can get my hands on it, I really wanna watch it! (Comedic westerns need more love)💜💜 I will definitely be back to ask things again, after I continue the dollars trilogy:)
Hello, again! As promised, I am back today to respond to this 💜
Do not worry!!! You are not bothering me at all, it’s just a very busy time with school. If I take a few days, that’s why (but I promise I will respond!) 😭
I’ve seen too many movies for my own good (if that’s even possible), particularly from the 50s-70s. So, feel free to ask me about pretty much anything! If I haven’t seen a movie in reference, I will probably watch it. I am ALWAYS looking for recs!!
ANYWAY, I am going to put the rest of this behind a cut because 1) it’s kind of long, and 2) in case anybody sees this ask and is interested in the films mentioned (but has not seen them yet), I don’t want to give spoilers!
I'm the anon who sent the ask about the dollars trilogy. I'm watching the first one tonight. Ps. I own a poncho and western hat, though it isnt a Stetson. Have you seen High Plains Drifter? (Or Two Mules for Sister Sara?)
OKAY, SO I SEE YOUR OTHER ASK. I WILL ADDRESS A FISTFUL OF DOLLARS THERE (TOMORROW BECAUSE IT’S VERY LATE RIGHT NOW - I AM SORRY 😩) AND RESPOND TO YOUR OTHER POINTS HERE.
(THIS MAKES ME SO HAPPY TO HEAR BACK FROM YOU YOU BTW 💜💜)
You already own a poncho AND a Western hat? Damnnnn, you are ahead of the game! I am so proud 😍 After watching the trilogy, you will legit never want to take either off. (Also, Stetson or not, it doesn’t matter. It’s definitely the style that counts, which it definitely sounds like you have 😉)
As for Clint Eastwood films.... holy smokes. Do not even get me started.
Do you want to know how many TOTAL Clint films I have seen??
FOURTY-ONE. (I am such a nerd I literally write down every film I watch, oops.)
That includes EVERY SINGLE Western film he’s ever been in, and a few seasons of Rawhide. Like I said, don’t even get me started.
I’m not sure if you’ve seen either of the two films you asked about, but I am going to respond as if you know them. I will try not to give major spoilers, though! (For your sake and for anybody else who might read this)
For High Plains Drifter, I literally made my whole family go to the place where it was filmed up in Northern California (on the shores of Mono Lake - there isn’t anything left of the set, but the scenery is still stunning!!) We were visiting Yosemite, and it was right next door. I could not resist. Arguably, it is my fave American Western of his. I love it SO much.
But the film weird as hell. I’m not gonna break down what happens in the first 20 minutes or whatever because it’s pretty disturbing, but I was so taken aback by how evil Clint immediately came across. It was so unlike anything I’d ever seen from him. And speaking of evil (assuming you’ve seen the movie), what is your interpretation of who he is? The devil? A ghost? The brother of the murdered marshal? So many different interpretations... 🤔
As for Two Mules for Sister Sara, I also have a soft spot for that one. Comedic Westerns are soooo underrated. The “Where did you learn that kind of English?!” scene made me laugh way harder than it should have. (Oh, and I can’t forget - that Ennio Morricone score? Mmm, perfection... 🥵🥵)
On the topic of American Eastwood Westerns, this is a COMPLETE shift in direction, but have you ever seen/heard of Paint Your Wagon??? That one is... unlike anything I have ever seen before. I honestly cried laughing while watching it. Just to give some information (in case you don’t know anything), it’s a musical comedy about these two guys who form a partnership because of a gold discovery... I honestly do not want give any more information than that. Don’t even look a summary up. Just get it and watch it blind. DO IT, PLEASE.
I was ABSOLUTELY NOT - in any way, shape, or form - prepared for what that film was going to be like. I am pretty sure it took a year off my life because I laughed so hard. 11/10 recommend. 👌👌👌
LASTLY, STAY SAFE OUT THERE!!! Thanks again for the message 😘
(Talk to you more tomorrow!) 💜
Thanks to you I recorded the whole dollars trilogy and plan to watch them as soon as I can. 💜
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YESSSSS THIS ASK LEGIT MADE ME SOOOO HAPPY TO RECEIVE!!!! YOU HAVE NO IDEA!!! 😱😱
Honestly, it made my morning when I woke up and saw this! I love the Dollars Trilogy so so sooo much, and it would make me delighted if I could share that love with others!!! I do not know where I would be without the Dollars Trilogy right now… it’s one of the main reasons I am currently in film school and part of the RDR fandom! I could legit rant about Spaghetti Westerns (and just films in general) ALLLL day 😵
I am not sure if you have played RDR1 or not, but I think that game in particular has a lot of Dollars Trilogy vibes. The poncho outfit, the loading screen harmonica, the guitar with the heavy reverb… delicious.
Also, the first time I met Dutch in RDR1 I immediately felt like he was a slight homage to the wonderful Lee Van Cleef (RDR2 only convinced me further of that fact - the jet black curls, the sense of style, the EYES, and of course the Dutch name)
Seriously, I am very curious to hear your thoughts, anon! Feel free to message me again once you do watch the films!!!
I feel like most people watch A Fistful of Dollars and go “umm, wtf?” but by the end of The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly they’re just like “🤯🤯🤯”
(Or maybe, that is just me being a TOTAL nerd, which is very possible too...)
On a final note, if you like the Dollars Trilogy, I also highly recommend the films Once Upon a Time in the West (same director as the Dollars Trilogy) and The Great Silence! The latter has amazing NE Ambarino vibes, and I feel like Micah’s winter outfit was even inspired by what the super evil antagonist (“Tigrero”) wears because they are very similar to each other. Not to mention the stories of both films are quite phenomenal and highly unique! Check those out, if they are of interest to you!!
(And here is a shoutout to my favorite duo aka my Spaghetti Western OTP from For a Few Dollars More, just because I can never give them enough love 💜💜)
(ANYBODY OUT THERE - PLEASE TALK MORE SPAGHETTI WESTERN LOVE WITH ME.... I AM CLEARLY DEPRIVED)