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attack and dethrone the maker

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Getting into Dragon Age 15 years late. she/he/they. Hoping not to have to ride the disk horse (or halla I suppose?). I don't mind spoilers. Not a fan of Bioware. PCs: Nimue Surana (pronouns complicated because his egg cracks over the course of the game) (elf mage (blood mage and arcane warrior) and Morrigan kisser), Robin Hawke (he/him) (human mage (blood mage and spirit healer) and Anders kisser), Mi'vhenan Lavellan (she/they) (elf mage (knight-enchanter) and Solas kisser)
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Boinking Fade Spirits: A Very Important Meta

Continuing in the vein of fantasizing out loud about what I want to see in Dragon Age: Dreadwolf, I think it would be great if the game would allow players to romance and/or sleep with a Fade spirit. Below I’ll elaborate on what we know about Fade spirit sexuality, both as a review and as a way to demonstrate that a Fade spirit romance would be consistent with prior lore.

Cole/Compassion 

We know it’s possible for a Fade spirit to fall in (romantic/sexual) love because that is one potential outcome of Cole/Compassion’s character arc in Dragon Age: Inquisition.  If the player’s influence leads Cole to become more human during Subjected to His Will (his companion quest), he eventually pursues a romance with the minstrel/bard Maryden in the Trespasser DLC, set two years after the end of the main story. We’re introduced to the relationship during a heartwarming scene during the companion catch-up conversations, transcribed below:

  • Maryden: Oh, Cole, good day! I didn’t see you there.
  • Cole: But I saw you, as lovely as your songs.
  • (Cole gives her a kiss on the cheek)
  • Inquisitor: (“I’m happy for you”) I’m pleased for both of you.
  • Maryden: The world has ample pain, Inquisitor. The kindness found in Cole is rare indeed.
  • Cole: Her songs bring happiness to those who hear… and I can make her happy in return.

It’s implied that the attraction has turned physical during a banter in Trespasser (emphasis mine):

  • Cole: Some of the stones here are pretty. I should get one for Maryden.  
  • Dorian: You’ve got a lady friend? Really?      
  • Iron Bull: You and the bard, huh?
  • Cole: I am human now.
  • Iron Bull: Good for you, kid! Let me know if you need any tips.
  • Dorian: No, no, that’s fine. You’re a real boy now. Would’ve lost gold on it being a girl, but that’s probably just me.
  • Cole: She’s kind, and her voice helps people. And her bodice smells good.  Wait, I shouldn’t have said that. Forget! Oh, that doesn’t work anymore. Forget?

Granted, by this time Cole isn’t a “pure” or “true” Fade spirit (for lack of a better term), given that the romance only begins if Cole has turned more human over time (otherwise, spirit-Cole likes Maryden as a person and helps her out but has no romantic interest in her; in fact, he even facilitates a romance between Maryden and another human, Krem, during Trespasser). It is, however, evidence that Fade spirits can come to develop romantic feelings for humans (or rather mortals), at least under certain circumstances.  

But what about sex with Fade spirits?

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the way cole makes varric conflicted is so delicious i think. most of the characters are uncomfortable around him because they're genuinely terrified of demons and the fade and magic in general but varric is a completely different case. the thing is, he doesn't see cole as a demon at all because he doesn't want to.

he acts like he doesn't care about this stuff. that's a little weird kiddo around here and he wants to befriend him. teach him something even. why not. that's a little guy who's a little too good with knives and can't pick up a single social clue at the same time.

but there it is. the "he could have been a person" line if cole is made more spirit. varric is so upset about it because it's not like he saw cole as, well, a spirit who got a little too human. for varric, he was a human first, a weird kid second. the spirit part didn't even come into consideration because. well. it would make him question things. you know where it goes.

every time he starts bitching about anders he brings up justice. justice drove him mad. justice took over him. justice this, justice that. justice is a scapegoat because the thought that someone varric was friends with was actually willing to blow up the chantry and it wasn't just some evil demon's wish is a very unsettling one. varric's friends may be crazy but they're cool and make no irreversible life decisions of that extent, don't they? blondie turned out this way because he let a demon possess him and make him do terrible things. completely out of the blue.

it's either varric's ex-friend has never been driven crazy by some inherently evil entity and there was a whole other person around him all along and that anger he used to mock was coming from the same place as compassion's urge to become a killer or that little weird but kind kid he started to care about has never been and will never be a real kid. he can't have both. a bitter pill to swallow for someone who has never picked a side in his life

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Anders and Hawke having dinner, Anders holds up a pastry.

Anders: Aura used to love these.

Hawke: Who’s Aura?

Anders: My wife.

Hawke: Your…? You were married?

Anders: No. Justice. Well, not Justice. Kristoff. Aura was Kristoff’s wife.

Hawke: Who is Kristoff?

Anders: *takes a slow, deep breath as he remembers his Justice’s their brief time as a reanimated corpse* Actually, let’s just stop talking.

NOT THE TURDUCKEN

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Justice, Fenris, & Lyrium

So in DAO Awakening, we see that Justice is absolutely entranced by even minuscule amounts of lyrium.

If given a lyrium ring by the Warden-Commander, he’s over the moon about it, speaking in near-rapturous terms (all emphasis mine).

Justice: What is that sound? Such beautiful singing. The stone within this ring… is it lyrium? Am I… allowed to keep this? Is it to be mine?
Warden: It’s singing? I don’t hear anything.
Justice: When mortals dream of lyrium in the fade, it is not like this. The song saddens me, but it is breathtaking. Of all the things I have seen in this world, this is the most precious. I will keep it at my side as a reminder that even in misfortune, good can be found.

You can really sense the excitement, maybe even desperation, in the way he repeats his plea - “Am I allowed to keep this?  Is it to be mine?”  It’s a touching moment, where the Warden teaches him the rituals of friendship and Justice begins to open up to human connection.

If you wait long enough without giving it to him, Justice will eventually ask for some lyrium - not to consume, but simply to hold and cherish.  (If I recall correctly, this is also the only instance in DAO where a companion explicitly asks for a specific gift in advance).  

I desire only the smallest bit of pure rock. The version of lyrium mortals dream of in the fade, it is not the same. Here, it sings. The sound is something only a spirit could hear, but it summons an ache I didn’t know I had.

When giving him the lyrium ring, if the Warden says, “I hope it’s useful,” Justice replies:

Of what “use” is beauty? Of all the things I have seen in this world, this is the most precious. I will keep it at my side as a reminder that even in misfortune, good can be found.

Likewise, when approaching a lyrium container in Kal’Hirol, he says:

This…this substance…sings to me. Do you hear it? I did not know something so beautiful could exist.

We never ultimately find out what happened to the lyrium ring.  Maybe Anders took it with them when he and Justice merged, although they are never seen wearing it.  Then again, Anders isn’t wearing his signature gay earring from Awakening either, so maybe they sold or donated all the jewelry at some point.  After all, merely getting into Kirkwall in the first place costs a lot in bribe money.

Getting back to my main point, we’ve learned that lyrium is basically spirit catnip and that Justice is totally enraptured by even a piece small enough to be fitted as the gemstone on a ring.  

Then over a year or so after arriving in Kirkwall, this…

We’re talking about a guy with a veritable fortune in lyrium embedded in his skin - not a few specks, but wide veins of lyrium criss-crossing his body from head to toe - just radiating that pure Fade energy.  

Does Justice hear all that lyrium singing to him?  And by extension, does Anders?  Do they hear him coming from miles away, what with the chorus such a large trove must be generating?  If that little ring has him enraptured and waxing poetic, what sort of effect might this web of lyrium tattoos have? 

I am so disappointed that this was never addressed.

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  • Anders: He’s gone now. He’s part of me. It’s not like we can… have a conversation. I feel his thoughts as my own. Not even the greatest scholar could tell you where I end and he begins.
  • Isabela: Hello? Is Anders there? Can I speak to Anders?
  • Anders: You can stop yelling. It’s always me.
  • Isabela: Oh, good. I didn’t want to talk to that other guy. You know, the stick-in-the-mud.
  • Anders: He can still hear you. Justice and I are one.
  • Aveline: So you’re two people, Anders and… Justice?
  • Anders: That’s not strictly accurate.
  • Aveline: But you are of two minds.
  • Anders: Many people are.
  • Aveline: Now you’re the one not being accurate.
  • Anders: I thought those were the rules of this game.
  • Hawke: This is Justice talking, not you.
  • Anders: We are the same. It is my passion for this cause that drives him.
  • Hawke: Who’s telling me this, Justice or you?
  • Anders: Who would you listen to?
  • Hawke: This is Anders’s decision, not yours!
  • Justice: I am Anders.
  • Hawke: Did that spirit tell you to do this?
  • Anders:  No. When we merged, he ceased to be. We are one now.
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Sorting through my Justice-Anders merger headcanons and other assorted observations.

With regard to your last point, Justice-Anders does explicitly say he can sense magic.

If you want to play the troll, take a mage Hawke into Anders’s clinic during Tranquility (Act 1) and assert “Mages must be contained.” This is the argument that follows (emphasis mine):

Hawke: Mages fall to demons! The Chantry can’t trust them with the same freedoms as normal men.
Anders: You are a mage yourself. I feel the power in you. How can you say that?
Fenris: Because it’s true.

You get a radically different response with a non-mage (rogue or warrior) Hawke — “And who are you to decide that how the Maker created me isn’t ‘normal.’”

I don’t recall any other instances of a mage clocking another mage on sight, without witnessing them casting spells or anything. For example, a mage Hawke is still surprised to learn that Merrill is a mage, and other characters react with surprise upon learning that Hawke is a mage (whether revealed by performing magic or by simply admitting to it).

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crucial to all my fun posts abt da2 mages sharing magical knowledge is the awareness that fenris is hovering somewhere at the edge of these conversations visibly wrestling with bitter inner conflict as to whether he should correct someone on a minor detail of magical theory. because on the one hand he knows he’s right and anders and merrill are wrong in a provable way but on the other hand if he said something he’d have to take part in this conversation, a fate worse than death

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