legit my dad was like “i really don’t like the concept of abortion and i wish it didn’t exist, but i’m not about to act like it’s my call” and then i pointed out “the entire concept of outlawing abortion is saying the government has more right over your body parts than you do and has the legal precedent required to take one of your kidneys at any time so long as there’s a single person in need of a kidney transplant” and he suddenly went extremely pro-choice so that’s an argument that never fails
if i heard that a woman aborted a fetus because prenatal screening had revealed a disability that i shared, i would simply not shame her
RIP to people who think bodily autonomy is conditional but im different
i’ve been getting a lot of comments/questions about this post. some is good, some is bad. i’ve decided not to respond individually and instead say:
- i said what i said. i wasn’t confused about saying it.
- if i found out a woman had aborted a fetus because she found out that fetus had a disability that i have—disabilities that i have firsthand knowledge of being painful, difficult to live with, and often resource-intensive—i would not be angry with her. i would not feel like she doesn’t think people like me should not be alive (unless she actually said so).
- fetuses are not little potential “you”s. projecting your own anxieties onto a woman’s abortion (”i wouldn’t have wanted to be aborted” is common reasoning in plenty of pro-life circles; it’s not better here) is invasive and nonsensical.
- bodily autonomy isn’t conditional. you don’t know a woman’s exact reason for abortion and you don’t need to. women’s rights to abortion need to be protected, even if you feel icky about some potential reasoning behind an abortion, which you aren’t even fully privy to in the first place.
- disabled people should always be in the care of people who have the resources and desire to take care of them. insisting that disabled children be born simply to ease your own moral qualms with abortion is frankly unethical in my opinion, resources are often very slim for disabled people. not to mention our quality of life is often just lower in general. you can argue all you want in the notes about “mild” disabilities but you aren’t the arbiter of what constitutes a mild enough disability to make an abortion terrible and immoral and shame-worthy.
- women aren’t vessels. regardless of how morally pure you feel your crusade is, they simply aren’t.
- speaking as a disabled person, energy is literally always better spent on changing society—by increasing resources for caretakers and disabled people alike, speaking frankly about quality of life, correcting notions about what disabled people’s lives are like, punishing mistreatment of actual disabled people [not potential ones], and putting research into easing the pain/suffering of people as much as possible—than it is on getting mad about women getting abortions. and it isn’t just better spent that way, it’s just immoral to do the latter.
- in conclusion: RIP to people who think bodily autonomy is conditional but im different.
Go OFF
THIS!!!
YOU ONLY KEEP ONE BULL
(Originally published in Comics For Choice)
And the rest, my darlings, are meat.
Never punched reblog so fast in my life
Beautiful
SHE IS RIGHT AND SHE SOULD SAY IT!!!
That’s Northern Ireland for ya
Yikes
you know what. considering that trans men are way more likely to experience hostility from health care workers when we get pregnant (2), and many trans men are sexually assaulted and need abortions, and trans men often do not receive adequate care for reproductive issues and cancer, and most of us will be outright refused care because we are transgender at some point in our lives (2), if you believe that trans men who ask to be acknowledged in the current discussions about abortion/reproductive justice are “making it all about men” or monopolizing the conversation in any way, you need to rethink that.
trans men/transmasculine people are welcome to share your stories and experiences in the notes, everyone else please do not speak over us.
Boost!!!
holy fuck.
This is fucking awesome holy shit
I wish i could find this one article written in I believe the 90’s that went under the radar on abortion. The author said that the “life” arguments are basically useless on either side and what actually matters is that humans shouldn’t have a right to use other human bodies as a resource without consent no matter how alive or sentient they are, even if they’re on the brink of death you have the right to deny them access to you. It probably was too radical for pro-choice activists back in those days but like…that’s the most robust arguement lol so we need 2 being that back and dead the pontifications and splitting hairs about “life” in my honest onion
I found it. Actually, it was written in the 70’s. She was way ahead of the curve.
The article is ‘A Defense of Abortion’ by Judith Jarvis Thomson. Essential reading!
If you cannot demand that a person donate their organs to keep you alive, you have no right to legislate that an embryo gets to use a woman’s body to keep itself alive without the woman’s consent.
This!!!
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Jesus christ
This is the Memorial to the Missing and contains over 50,000,000 pennies to represent the lives of each American child abandoned to abortion by a society and a culture that has embraced their destruction. We must prevent the need to add to this memorial. Take a stand. Get involved.
”How we treat the least of us defines us.”
“should I use this $500k to help struggling parents and pregnant people or should I put it in a glass box”
^ reblogged for the comment
“money that can be useful for victims of rape and abuse is sitting in a glass box to remind us how we care more about the ‘lives’ of unborn fetuses than the lives of homeless children”
The cognitive dissonance is stunning
We don’t care about people, we care about the idea of people.
Reblogging for all of the comments.
“I’d rather put pennies on display to show how little value I place on a life once out of the womb than put actual dollars towards better health care for the living.”
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
And like that’s not just a couple hundred dollars worth of pennies that is a really substantial amount thats just sitting in a glass box
Imagine putting that $500k towards substantive and comprehensive sex education in schools…
Jfc.
“Take a stand. Get involved.”
cool, I’ll do that, let me just go get my crowbar and a buncha wheelbarrows and i’ll take a stand by breakin the glass and carting these pennies to the fuckin bank where I will then get involved by donating it all to planned fuckin parenthood and neighborhood organizations that help the already-born children you give no shits about.
Fuck yeah
funraising fees are fucked up did you know gofundme takes up to 7.9% of everything people donate you + $0.30 per donation
that means that if 10 people help you raise $1000, you’re losing $82 bucks
if youre a kid in trouble trying to raise money dont make my mistakes and use youcaring which is apparently toally free, and not gofundme
Gofundme just sucks in general. After a woman tried raising money for an abortion, they pulled her campaign and changed their terms of service so that starting a campaign for an abortion is basically against the rules, but anti-choice groups (some of which are known to be violent) are still able to use the site. source
But they let Darren Wilson have his campaign after he murdered Mike Brown
Guys spread this!! http://www.youcaring.com/ really is free!
^YouCaring is great, in my experience. They can stay free because they ask everyone who donates to a cause whether they’d like to donate $1 to the website to keep it running.
It’s also not racist and anti-choice.
I did not know this
Just reblogging this bc it breaks my heart to see people who desperately need help get ripped off
Boost!
Lets debate biology.
I feel like a lot of abortion debates are becoming based on feelings, emotions, and subjective morality. I’m not looking for an ugly knock out drag out debate, i just want to discuss hard facts about abortion and see where this goes.
Okay here are the hard facts about abortions:
The fetus, at any time before 35 weeks gestation does not have the capacity to differentiate between ‘painful touch’ and ‘pleasant touch’. Even at 24 weeks, it doesn’t have the part of the brain that registers touch at all, therefore fetuses feel no pain whatsoever during an abortion. Even during the saline abortions that you falsely claim were ‘painful’ to the fetus on your blog.
The fetus relies fully on the body it is inside of to maintain it’s survival and function, thereby requiring that persons continuous consent to remain there, as the right to security of person was deemed more important that a right to life as seen in the supreme court cases in the USA of Roe V. Wade and McFall V. Shimp (In Canada the two cases that did this were Morgentaler, Smoling, and Scott v. Queen and Daigle V. Trembley).
The fetus does not have the capacity for conscious, purposeful, or controlled movement. All movement that a fetus makes is fully involuntary, and happen as a result of the nervous system forming, testing itself out, and testing limb movement in order to ensure everything is in place to ensure survival capability after birth -assuming it survives the pregnancy and birth. In fact, the first sparks of consciousness in homo sapiens happens at 5 months AFTER birth.
In places where abortions are legal and easily accessible, there are lower abortion rates. In places where abortions are illegal or heavily restricted there are more abortions. This is an across-board thing, a global pattern.
Lack of safe abortion access KILLS. An estimated 68,000 people per year die because of lack of access to safe abortions, and a uncounted millions are left with permanent health issues as a result. That’s an estimated 186 people who will die TODAY because they did not have safe access to an abortion. There are an estimated 19 million unsafe and illegal abortions performed annually.
Most abortions are NOT performed on teenagers who were sleeping around and did not use protection. The largest groups recieving abortions are ages 20-24 (33% of all abortions), non-hispanic white (36%), religious(37% identify as protestant and 28% identify as catholic, meaning over half of abortion recipients follow a sect of Christianity) , married or cohabiting (55%), have one or more children (61%), used protection (51%) and are below the poverty line (42% are 100% below the poverty line, and a further 27% are 100-199% below the poverty line. 69% of abortion recipients are below the poverty line). (source)
Abortion has no severe, long term effects on people who get them. There is no increase to breast cancer risks, there is no increased risk to ectopic pregnancies, there is not increased risk of pelvic inflammatory disease, there is no Post-Abortion Syndrome, there is no increased risk of abruptio placentae.
And finally there is the fact that organs, does not a person make. Most things on this planet have organs. Birds have organs, bees have organs, dogs, lions, bears, pigs, cows, and even individual cells have organs or organ-like components that keep them alive. The fetuses development level does not grant it rights because that is not how we grant rights.
Those are the cold, hard facts on abortion. Those are the facts pro choicers have presented a thousand times to you and countless other pro lifers like you. Those are the facts that your group has ignored over and over again in favour of proven misinformation. I have no doubt there will be no response to this, and if there is you will give me lifenews or some other equally biased site as a “source”, despite my giving you only unbiased ones. If you want to discuss the facts on abortion you can’t use websites that are based in lies.
PREACH.
FUCKING THIS!!!!!
Rarely if ever do I express my politics, but Carlin is 100 percent.
FUCKING TEA!!!
Poor child has to suffer cause his dad is an asshole who didn’t let his baby mama have an abortion. This is why we need to talk more about reproductive justice
To all the guys who say abortion isn’t fair because, “what if the guy wants to keep the baby?” It’s just never good enough. You want to force women into carrying your child, then you want to force women to be part of that child’s life, even though they were very clear that they didn’t want a child.
It’s never enough. It starts with being forced to go through a pregnancy, then you’re forced to parent a child you never wanted because it’s not fair for the father to do all the work, pretty soon she’ll be a single mom because it turned out dad only liked the idea of a kid not the actual responsibility.
THIS!!!!! If you want a kid so much, why don't you just adopt one?
options for unwanted pregnancies if you ban abortion: a) have a dangerous back-alley abortion b) don’t have sex at all unless you are able to have a child c) put your child into the foster care system and suffer serious physical consequences d) put your child up for adoption and suffer serious physical consequences e) have a baby and potentially lose your job f) keep the child, but be unable to care for them
Options for unwanted pregnancy with legal abortions: a) have a legal and safe abortion b) accept the risks of pregnancy and have the child anyways (because you can still make that personal choice if you want to!!)
This!!!
“My body, my choice” only makes sense when someone else’s life isn’t at stake.
Fun fact: If my younger sister was in a car accident and desperately needed a blood transfusion to live, and I was the only person on Earth who could donate blood to save her, and even though donating blood is a relatively easy, safe, and quick procedure no one can force me to give blood. Yes, even to save the life of a fully grown person, it would be ILLEGAL to FORCE me to donate blood if I didn’t want to.
See, we have this concept called “bodily autonomy.” It’s this….cultural notion that a person’s control over their own body is above all important and must not be infringed upon.
Like, we can’t even take LIFE SAVING organs from CORPSES unless the person whose corpse it is gave consent before their death. Even corpses get bodily autonomy.
To tell people that they MUST sacrifice their bodily autonomy for 9 months against their will in an incredibly expensive, invasive, difficult process to save what YOU view as another human life (a debatable claim in the early stages of pregnancy when the VAST majority of abortions are performed) is desperately unethical. You can’t even ask people to sacrifice bodily autonomy to give up organs they aren’t using anymore after they have died.
You’re asking people who can become pregnant to accept less bodily autonomy than we grant to dead bodies.
reblogging for commentary
But, assuming the mother wasn’t raped, the choice to HAVE a baby and risk sacrificing their “bodily autonomy” is a choice that the mother made. YOu don’t have to have sex with someone. Cases of rape aside, it isn’t ethical to say abortion is justified. The unborn baby has rights, too.
First point: Bodily autonomy can be preserved, even if another life is dependent on it. See again the example about the blood donation.
And here’s another point: When you say that “rape is the exception” you betray something FUNDAMENTALLY BROKEN about your own argument.
Because a fetus produced from sexual assault is biologically NO DIFFERENT than a fetus produced from consensual sex. No difference at all.
If one is alive, so is the other. If one is a person, so is the other. If one has a soul, then so does the other. If one is a little blessing that happened for a reason and must be protected, then so is the other.
When you say that “Rape is the exception” what you betray is this: It isn’t about a life. This isn’t about the little soul sitting inside some person’s womb, because if it was you wouldn’t care about HOW it got there, only that it is a little life that needs protecting.
When you say “rape is the exception” what you say is this: You are treating pregnancy as a punishment. You are PUNISHING people who have had CONSENSUAL SEX but don’t want to go through a pregnancy. People who DARED to have consensual sex without the goal of procreation in mind, and this is their “consequence.”
And that is gross.
^ THIS. This is this this THIS THIS THIS. THIS!!!!!
This is probably the strongest and well worded/supported argument for abortion that I have ever read.
THIS!!!!!