“you step out that door, you’re an avenger” “if i step in and out over and over again really quickly does that mean i’m every avenger” “uh” “too late i’m gonna do it”

“so this is the door i have to walk through to be recognised as an avenger?” “yeah basically” “okay cool so… where’s the door to be recognised as the race i was supposed to be and part of the culture i was supposed to be from before joss whedon made me white and a volunteer for neo-nazi experimentation”

“so i told her that if she walked through that door, she’d be an avenger” “that’s nice clint” “thanks natasha” “which door do i have to walk through” “??? you’re already an avenger” “oh really you could have fooled me sinCE I’M NOT IN ANY OF THE FUCKING MERCH”

For people wondering where the rape joke was in Age of Ultron

(and I don’t blame you, it’s subtle, which makes its inclusion even creepier, and it’s generally good to have evidence of these things)

In the “let’s-all-try-to-lift-Mjolnir” scene, Tony’s line is changed from the trailer; in the trailer, it’s “I will be fair but firm-ly cruel”. In the movie, however, it’s “I will be re-instituting Primae Nocta”

Primae Nocta is a “medieval custom” (for which we have no actual contemporary evidence) whereby the overlord of a peasant couple would have the ‘right of the first night’ with the new wife should he so wish, being legally able to rape her on this night. (It’s the same concept as Droit de Seigneur)

The fact that the line from the trailer (which was actually a good joke) to the one from the movie (rape joke, ooc for Tony Stark, misogynist) is extremely disturbing, especially as the primae nocta joke would only be understood by a proportion of the audience - in effect, Whedon replaced a joke with one that allowed him to stealthily be misogynist, which is… quite worrying, actually.

I respect joss whedon’s right to write the equivalent of a 250,000 word 89/? chapter fic posted on ff.net with the description “EVERYONE IS OOC…DONT LIKE DONT READ!!!! I UPDATE FOR EVERY 50 REVIEWS!!! NO FLAMES OR I DELETE” but that doesn’t mean I have to accept it as canon lol

Natasha in Avengers: “Love is for children.”

Natasha in Age of Ultron: “I adore you!”

Me:

lmao @ joss “i regret calling myself a feminist because now everyone expects me not to produce sexist media” whedon (x) don’t let the door hit you on the way out

“I’ve said before, when you declare yourself politically, you destroy yourself artistically,” he said. “Because suddenly that’s the litmus test for everything you do — for example, in my case, feminism. If you don’t live up to the litmus test of feminism in this one instance, then you’re a misogynist. It circles directly back upon you.”

this jackass lmao

translation: “it turns out that if you call yourself a feminist, people expect you to actually do feminist things, and I’m disappointed because I want praise for applying a label to myself without putting in any actual effort”

The thing about it is

People are acting like everyone suddenly ganged up on Joss 

No. Fans have been giving the same criticism of his writing (esp. the way he writes women, esp. the way he writes poc or completely ignores their existence) for almost 20 years now. FANS. People who like his works!

So he’s heard this all before. This is not news to him. He didn’t stomp off of twitter in shock. 

He blocked people, made it look like oh poor him, he just can’t win with these mean radical progressives!!! and then left twitter and let shitty little fanboys act like some great injustice took place because he won’t be posting 140 character long updates anymore.

All he has had to ever do is say, “I’m sorry. I owe it to my fans to do better. I will try.” and then just try a little bit harder?? Like, that’s literally all people want.

As far as Whedon is concerned, anyone blaming feminists for driving him away from social media is not only wrong, but missing the point about the relationship between internet trolls and feminists on Twitter. [x]

Wheeds, you are not a lawyer, and you have not ever taken the bar. Shut the fuck up. 

Wheeds, you are not a feminist, and you clearly misunderstand fundamental human rights and how this whole privilege/oppression thing works. And ya know what? Its damn good you haven’t gone to law school because you flat out admitted that your portrayal was terribly un-feminist and that it has upset us and let us down. Your argument is garbage. Art and politics go hand in hand and they have for centuries. Have you seen Cap 2? That was one of the most blatantly political movies I’ve ever seen, and it was beautiful. Treating us like objects and then treating those objects like shit is not art. Refusing a feminist portrayal is misogynist. It really, really isn’t that hard. Not only did the Russo brothers blow you out of the water, so do amateur, unpaid fan fic writers. On a regular basis. The bar wasn’t that goddamn high in the first place and you still missed it. so again, see the above and shut the fuck up.

JEREMY RENNER (on receiving Joss Whedon’s Age of Ultron script): “There were a lot of confusing things about it for me,” he laughed. “To think about what was happening with Romanoff and Banner, I didn’t know… a lot of stuff got lost for me.” [ x ]

SCARLETT JOHANSSON (on the changed relationship dynamic between Nat and Bruce): “I, you know, didn’t really understand… or expect… the connection that these two make with one another seemed very unlikely when I first read the script. I met with Joss, I was like, why are you putting these two together?”  MARK RUFFALO: “But I was like of course!”  SCARLETT: “Oh yeah. Of course. He sees it.” MARK: “These two should be together.” SCARLETT: “It’s kinda like the guy who was like, do you remember the first time we saw each other, like we had something. And the girl’s like, I don’t even remember you.” [ x ]

agentnatalia

yes, natasha romanoff is free to want a relationship with whomever she would choose. yes, natasha romanoff and bruce banner have an understanding on some level in that both have been forced into being something that they never wanted to be. that part has never been the subject of debate. 

we’re not displeased because natasha has chosen to pursue a relationship with bruce instead of steve/clint/bucky/whoever.

we are displeased because in order to make her the subject of a romance, joss whedon has stripped her of her best characteristics and forced her into the role of the pining damsel in distress.

we’re not displeased because we like a ship, we’re displeased because we like natasha romanoff

whedon: *blatantly ignores what happened in catws, iron man 3 and tdw* me: *more blatantly ignores what happened in aou*

avenge natasha romanoff’s characterization 2k15

enjoy characters and movies for what they are and stop thinking so much into it 2k15

Be critical of the media you consume and protect the few female characters in mainstream media 2k15. Allow people to express their distaste for and disappointment in the media they consume 2k15.

i wonder if joss whedon knows that there are other mcu movies where things have happened aside from his own

Feeling a tad reckless tonight, so I’m going to go all out with an unpopular opinion or three. I suppose I may lose followers, but… eh.

Going to put the Moffat part of this aside for the moment and focus on what Fink says above, because holy shit, it’s so fucking true it hurts.

Joss Whedon is not a feminist, and in fact has actually contributed to an entire generation’s corrupted idea of what feminism is. I won’t say he’s not talented. He has a gift for writing dialogue, and is fairly decent at plotting, too. I’m pretty darn happy with what he’s contributed to the MCU so far. But I am so freaking tired of him and his work being held up as some sort of great thing for women when he’s really no different from every other fanboy with a fetish for Badass Babes.  

1: He did not invent action heroines. 

Wonder Woman was kicking ass decades before he was even born. He also didn’t do anything new on TV when he did Buffy. As I posted about a couple of days ago, there were a TON of women heroes on TV in the ’70s and early ’80s before the Backlash kicked in. Buffy wasn’t even unique in her era. She debuted in a landscape that included Xena, Janeway, Ivanova, and many, many more. The only thing different about her is that she was a high school girl, which meant a lot of girls around the same age identified with her in a way they didn’t with the older women. But that still doesn’t make her groundbreaking. Saturday morning cartoons already had teen heroines way before she came along. 

2. He seems to be allergic to women who aren’t young and conventionally attractive.

Granted that this is a problem across all mass media, but only a handful of his female characters have been older than 35 without being someone’s mom or a very minor role. None of them have been fat or genuinely butch, either. He doesn’t allow his women to have power unless they’re also attractive.

3. The only queer characters he has are het-dude-fantasy friendly. 

Where are the queer men? Where are the older lesbians? Where are the queer women whose bodies and sexuality don’t appeal to straight guys? 

Again, this is a problem with all mass media, but someone who brags about being a feminist should know better. 

4. He has a thing for victimizing his women in titillating ways

Yes, he tortures most of his characters, when he’s not actually killing them off, but let me give you one image for Exhibit A: Naked River in a box. Ew. 

Generally speaking, Joss only writes women that he would personally want to fuck. The fact that his particular fetish is for women with combat and weapons skills doesn’t change that.

You want a truly feminist writer? Show me one who writes women who aren’t to his or her personal sexual taste and who also aren’t either stereotypical mother figures or one-note villains. Show me one who writes lesbians who don’t have sex scenes that look like something out of het-dude-aimed porn. Show me one who writes identifiable women of color, trans women, and women with disabilities. Luckily, we’re finally starting to get writers who do this, but they’re still rare, and almost non-existent among mass-distribution media. And they’re still not Joss Whedon.