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For the past several years (and perhaps longer) in the P&P fandom I've seen a lot of people who want to rehabilitate Mrs. Bennet: like, sure, she's uncouth and seems greedy, but it's because she cares so much about her daughters' futures; her situation is actually really stressful and uncertain and she's powerless to change it and her husband makes fun of her, and so it's natural that it would cause her to be anxious all the time; maybe she doesn't have the intelligence or social awareness to understand that her behaviour is actually harming her daughters' prospects, but at least her heart is in the right place.

I'm usually not the type of person who argues that fandom is actually being too nice to a female character, but in this case I don't buy the counter-narrative (which I think is popular enough at this point to be fanon / a narrative in itself) about Mrs. Bennet.

For one thing, she was never really powerless in this situation. These people are rich even for gentry. Mr. Bennet's income was always good, at 2,000 pounds per annum (even though I can't believe he isn't neglecting some practices that could raise it higher). Mrs. Bennet had 4,000 pounds from her parents and a further 1,000 from Mr. Bennet. Invested in the 4 per cents (for example), this is 200 pounds per year in pin money that Mrs. Bennet could spend without touching the principle of her dowry, and without affecting Mr. Bennet's income. This is more than some people's entire yearly incomes.

The picture of Mr. and Mrs. Bennet that we get in P&P is not of people who are helpless against their circumstances, but of people who are extraordinarily neglectful. We're told that:

Mr. Bennet had very often wished, before this period of his life, that, instead of spending his whole income, he had laid by an annual sum, for the better provision of his children, and of his wife, if she survived him. [...] When first Mr. Bennet had married, economy was held to be perfectly useless; for, of course, they were to have a son. This son was to join in cutting off the entail, as soon as he should be of age, and the widow and younger children would by that means be provided for. Five daughters successively entered the world, but yet the son was to come; and Mrs. Bennet, for many years after Lydia’s birth, had been certain that he would. This event had at last been despaired of, but it was then too late to be saving. Mrs. Bennet had no turn for economy; and her husband’s love of independence had alone prevented their exceeding their income.

We also know that the "continual presents in money which passed to [Lydia] through her mother’s hands," plus her allowance and food, amount to about 90 pounds per year. Rather than saving up from the beginning in case the entail is not broken, rather than beginning to save once it's clear a son will not arrive, rather than making Jane's dowry the full 5,000 from her mother (which would be something) and saving up for the younger girls' dowries thereafter—which is what would be typical, and that's why Lady Catherine was so shocked that all the girls were out at once—Mrs. Bennet's housekeeping, dress, the girls' allowance, presents of money over and above their allowance, plus whatever Mr. Bennet is spending money on (and other expenses relating to servants, carriages, maintenance &c. which are unavoidable), add up to their entire income. The only reason why Mrs. Bennet doesn't overspend even that is that that's where Mr. Bennet puts his foot down.

Mrs. Bennet is actively harming her daughters' prospects, not even of marriage, but of living respectably if they don't marry, because she doesn't have the temperance not to spend all of the income that is allotted to her. It is the role of the woman in a marriage to take charge of the housekeeping, servants, cooking, furniture, and all expenses relating thereto (plus certain attentions to her tenants and any living in genteel poverty in the area, though presumably this will depend on her income and whether there's a parish church with a parson's wife who's doing some of these things). She's an adult who should be competent to manage these things in a reasoned way without needing to be dictated to.

It is supposed to be the role of the woman in a marriage to take charge of her daughters' education—and yet Mrs. Bennet did not hire a governess, and Elizabeth says that she didn't spend much time teaching her daughters anything (it's not clear to what degree she's educated herself). Granted, the girls did have masters—but, from the sounds of things, that was only if they requested them. No one was required to learn much of anything, which will probably further harm the marriage prospects of the girls who "chose to be idle."

I think the "point" of Mrs. Bennet is that she is one half of one type of bad marriage which the novel illustrates, in contrast with the Gardiners' marriage. These marriages are two possible models for the Bennet daughters to look to. At one point, Elizabeth's prospective marriage is explicitly compared to her parents', with her in the role of her father: Mr. Bennet says "My child, let me not have the grief of seeing you unable to respect your partner in life" (emphasis original).

We might wonder whether Elizabeth saw herself potentially in the role of her father, in a marriage that was very intellectually unequal, when she rejected Mr. Collins; or whether she also saw herself in the role of her mother, married to a man who insults and doesn't respect her, when she rejected Mr. Darcy. Ultimately, she accepts Mr. Darcy after she realises that he is nothing like her father; that he is diligent in attending to his responsibilities, and that he does evidently respect her mind.

This isn't me defending Mr. Bennet, who is also a bad parent and a bad spouse. I do, however, find it a little disturbing when people suggest that Mr. Bennet is at fault for not controlling or curtailing his wife. His wife is a grown woman. Surely we don't actually believe that a situation where a man is legally in complete control over his wife, merely because he is a man and she is a woman, is in any way natural, moral, or just? (This also goes for people who suggest that Mr. Bingley needs to get his sister 'in line' 😬😬😬.)

Mrs. Bennet should be competent to manage her household and her daughters. Given that she's not, yes, Mr. Bennet, according to Georgian and Victorian ideas of the role of a man in a marriage, "should" have stepped in and started dictating to her. But I don't really think that's what Austen is suggesting went wrong here. The models of good marriages we have—the Gardiners, the Bingleys and Darcys after their weddings—are all ones in which the women were basically sensible people to begin with. In the latter two cases, we are told of particular ways in which the men stand to benefit from some mental quality of their future spouse (Elizabeth's good humour and ease in company; Jane's steadiness and determination).

The ideal which some Georgians had of a husband's role being to shape his wife's intellect doesn't seem to be what's being advocated here. If Mr. Bennet made a mistake, it was in marrying a silly, selfish, ill-tempered woman to begin with, not in failing to browbeat her into submission once he found out that she was silly, selfish, and ill-tempered. The idea is that you should choose your spouse carefully. But that message doesn't work if Mrs. Bennet is just a woman in a difficult situation who has her heart in the right place.

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dathen

This is such a good point that in shying away from a depiction of an imperfect mother, people double down on dehumanizing, infantilizing patriarchy by blaming all her shortcomings on the man who “should” have power over her, like she’s an untrained dog. “Men bad, women good” is NOT a useful lens for interpreting literature, and is far more anti-feminist than actually allowing a depiction of an irresponsible mother.

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One thing I've been thinking about, specifically with adaptations of Jane Austen novels, is that often her point is "Don't trust the Handsome and Charming guy" but adaptations refuse to make the Handsome Charming Guy sufficiently charming and handsome.

S&S 1995 will always hold a place in my heart because Greg Wise looks like a leading man. He's handsome, he's charming, they give him some great scenes with Marianne and they sell the fantasy of that couple. S&S 2008 was a disappointment to me because Willoughby looked slimy from Day 1. That's not right! Even Elinor was deceived by him! (even though she kept some doubts)

Wickham suffers from this a lot. Darcy may be handsome, but Wickham made the whole town in love with him. SHOW ME THAT! Show me even the old ladies fanning themselves when he comes into a room, show me Elizabeth who wants to dance half the night with him, show me every girl in town acting like he's the most handsome and charming man they've ever met in their lives! Wickham in 1995 P&P looks like a knock-off Darcy (sorry) and that's not right. Also, Elizabeth being downright smug when she learns the "truth" about Darcy and admiring Wickham more.

Now Mansfield Park's problem is kind of the opposite, because Henry Crawford is canonically NOT HOT but they keep making him hot (except in 1983, my love). But give me a man who can charm the pants off a married woman! That is what we need to see! It's basically the same thing, attractive on a surface level, slimy underneath, though for him the attraction is how he speaks. (Henry Crawford suffers from the same plight as Rochester, as an aside, stop casting hot men for the canonically not hot dude!)

These stories are based on the fact that the wrong option looks attractive. Make it so!

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Two slighty unpopular opinions:

"Fitzwilliam Darcy genuinely isn't comfortable socializing with strangers – it's not just snobbery" and "Fitzwilliam Darcy is genuinely rude at first, and doesn't make the effort he should to be polite to people outside of his circle" are two statements that can coexist.

"Jo March is genuinely uncomfortable with being 'ladylike' and less naturally good at it than her sisters are – she's not just rude or undisciplined" and "Jo March doesn't make even the basic attempt at good manners that formal occasions require" are two statements that can coexist too.

It's true that some fans over-idealize these two characters and justify their mistakes, but it's also possible to be too hard on them. Especially since by modern standards, both arguably show signs of being neurodivergent (although of course their authors wouldn't have viewed them that way).

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anghraine

Today's poll for P&P Headcanons About Incredibly Trivial Matters requires a little bit of context!

When Elizabeth is visiting Derbyshire, she's surprised by an earlier visit from the Darcy siblings than she had expected. She realizes they're coming to call before their arrival at the inn she's staying at. From her vantage point in the inn, she only makes out "a gentleman and lady in a curricle," but immediately recognizes the Darcy family's livery from that distance.

If you're not familiar with livery in this context, it's a distinctive pattern of color and design identified with particular prestigious families. A family of this kind would use their specific livery for various things including some uniforms of their servants. However, a curricle is a two-person vehicle that was highly fashionable at the time, and both seats are being taken up by Darcy and Georgiana.

"Both" is not an option on purpose!

Also: this is the only canon reference to the Darcy livery as far as I recall, so we don't know 1) what it looks like, 2) when Elizabeth first noticed it on ... something, or 3) when/how it became so instantly identifiable to her, even from a distance. You can find different scholarly versions of P&P that annotate the livery reference with an explanation that it indicates the presence of liveried servants or some visible use of the livery on the curricle, so there's not even an academically agreed-upon answer here.

Completely optional bonus mission: add your headcanons for any of these three missing bits of information. If you have big Darcy Livery Design opinions, now is your time to shine!

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This re-read of 'Pride and Prejudice' I'm overanalyzing everything. This time around I've begun to think that Wickham is more real and at the same time that he's worse than I've ever thought about him. True, before I mainly joked that he's a pedo and had no real thoughts about him.

This time, though, a) I've noticed that in Darcy's letter to Elizabeth Jane Austen outlines why Wickham is the way that he is: he was growing in a family where his mother lived above their means and so he had to suck up to the old Mr Darcy to get a good education and later an income. Ever since he was a kid he had learnt to be charming (and Darcy said it's all fake) and that's how he got around. This made him more real.

And b) I've always kinda considered that him choosing Lydia was just him grabbing an opportunity in a form of a willing stupid young girl he knew. But now I almost feel like this was a premeditated move. Before he had chosen miss Darcy not just because she was a girl he knew who had a large fortune. He chose her above all to revenge against Darcy who had denied giving him money. And now I feel like he chose Lydia to revenge against Elizabeth for slighting him when they parted. And did Wickham understand that Elizabeth was Darcy's love interest? Did he understand that he could've also made money and/or affronted Darcy again by tarnishing the Bennets' repuation as he eloped with Lydia? The more I think about it, the more it makes sense. This made him look like a calculating vengeful snake.

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anghraine

I've been trying to think of a less harsh way to put it, but every time I see an ostensible expert say that Mr Bennet and Darcy have the same social position and the only difference between them is that Darcy has more money, it's like ... um, either this person doesn't know what they're talking about or assumes their audience is so unsophisticated and ignorant that they can't handle the slightest degree of nuance.

Yes, it's obvious why this always comes up with P&P specifically, and explaining all the many differences and gradations in socioeconomic hierarchies between then and now is a steep task and not always necessary or useful. But Darcy and Mr Bennet are both untitled hereditary landowners. This means they have the same rank, yes—the technicality Elizabeth uses with Lady Catherine—but it also means that their status, incomes, reach of influence, and general consequence in their world are going to be primarily based on their inherited land, not that all these things except income would be functionally identical in their social world.

Awhile ago, I quoted a fairly concise description of England's class system at the time by the historian Dorothy Marshall, made decades ago, but—unusually—managing to convey some of the RL complexity around social position without belaboring the point too much. One of the most critical points she makes is this:

In spite of the number of people who got their living from manufacture or trade, fundamentally it was a society in which the ownership of land alone conveyed social prestige and full political rights.

The difference between someone like Mr Bennet and someone like Darcy in terms of socioeconomic power and status (often termed "consequence" at the time) is inevitably going to be more about hereditary land ownership than any other factor, including incomes and connections. Their incomes provide important information about the scale and value of the land they own, but wealth alone only tells a portion of the story here.

It's really, really clear in the novel that Mr. Bennet and Mr. Darcy are on different levels. I cannot understand why someone would even try to smooth over that nuance.

This is excellent clarification! Also remember that Darcy’s aunt is a lady. She’s a lady by marriage but that connection to a title alone elevates him in the hierarchy of the time.

Thanks!

Just to be clear, Lady Catherine is a lady by birth, not marriage, like her sister, Lady Anne Darcy—Darcy's own mother. Lady Catherine's title would be Lady de Bourgh if it came from her husband, Sir Lewis de Bourgh. Her own status, however, supersedes any title a mere knight or baronet could give her—Lady Catherine and Lady Anne were the daughters of an earl, a high-ranking nobleman.

This certainly affects Darcy's social status, though I think it's sometimes a bit overstated in terms of where Darcy's prestige comes from. A lot of his status comes from the scale of inherited land the Darcys control and the power it represents (we are told that basically his entire income is generated by Pemberley, not a smaller genteel estate + a separate inheritance, as we see with more typical wealthy gentry in other novels). Darcy isn't literally a nobleman, but Pemberley is aristocratic in scale and the Darcys are the kind of family who would have close blood relatives in the higher echelons of the nobility, as he does.

That's really unusual for an Austen hero, or really any Austen character who's portrayed at all favorably. The very powerful landowners and those with close associations or alignments with them tend not to come out looking good in her work, but P&P is so central to so much of the general sense of what Austen is doing as a writer that I think it's easy to overlook how much of Austen's relatively sympathetic depiction of Darcy is unique to him personally.

(@bethanydelleman - thanks as well. I also don't get it, but it's seemed increasingly common in the last 10-15 years from public-facing scholars who should and, I think, do know better.)

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It was the favourite wish of his mother, as well as of hers. While in their cradles we planned the union

Honestly, the more I think about Lady Catherine and why she holds on to her hope that her daughter Anne will marry Darcy (and the more I read people saying she's a delusional narcissist), the more I think it's about grief. And the more I find it odd that grief is so little mentioned when it comes to Lady Catherine within the fandom because it's right there.

Her sister is dead. Her first and only daughter is named after her sister, not herself. She and her sister had a fond wish of seeing their children together. Of course Lady Catherine's world falls apart when Darcy is going to marry Elizabeth, this was her last connection to a beloved sister. I'm going to headcanon from now on that Ladies Anne and Catherine were inseparable, identical twins.

Why can't a ridiculous and snobby character have grief? Why can't we believe that Lady Anne and Lady Catherine were close sisters and good friends? Elizabeth dislikes Lady Catherine, so in turn readers seem to assume that everyone hated her. Even her own sister! (Same thing happens to Caroline, Charles hates her don't you know) How could she love and be loved when she dared to insult our heroine?! If Darcy can have grief over the death of his father, why can his aunt not have grief over the death of her sister?

Anyway, don't mind me. I'm so tired of reading over and over that Lady Catherine was delusional. I'm just going to keep humanizing and sympathizing with minor Austen characters over here. Carry on.

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anghraine

It's always been intriguing to me that, even when Elizabeth hates Darcy and thinks he's genuinely a monstrous, predatory human being, she does not ever perceive him as sexually predatory. In fact, literally no one in the novel suggests or believes he is sexually dangerous at any point. There's not the slightest hint of that as a factor in the rumors surrounding him, even though eighteenth-century fiction writers very often linked masculine villainy to a possibility of sexual predation in the subtext or just text*. Austen herself does this over and over when it comes to the true villains of her novels.

Even as a supposed villain, though, Darcy is broadly understood to be predatory and callous towards men who are weaker than him in status, power, and personality—with no real hint of sexual threat about it at all (certainly none towards women). Darcy's "villainy" is overwhelmingly about abusing his socioeconomic power over other men, like Wickham and Bingley. This can have secondhand effects on women's lives, but as collateral damage. Nobody thinks he's targeting women.

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