One thing that I always saw from Dany antis, but never really wrote a proper post to refute, is the claim that Quentyn is not the Sun’s son, it’s Young Griff, and that Young Griff is not the mummer’s dragon, it’s Jon. So I want to make a post about this.

The argument usually goes: “Quentyn can’t be the Sun’s son because he is the Sun, not the Sun’s son. The Sun’s son must be Young Griff”. But by this logic, Dany can’t be called “the dragon’s daughter” because she’s the dragon, not the dragon’s daughter. And yet, she is called the dragon’s daughter and daughter of dragons. At some point people have to recognize that GRRM was just trying to be poetic. Quentyn is pretty much confirmed to be the Sun’s son: he tried to steal Dany’s dragon, and if that wasn’t enough, his death creates a political problem for Dany in her negotiations with Dorne. So he was one of the people that Quaithe warned her she shouldn’t trust.

Another argument is that “Aegon is not the mummer’s dragon, he really is Elia’s son, so Jon is the mummer’s dragon, because Jon was hidden and playing a false role just like a mummer”. And like… no. First of all, because there’s a lot of evidence that Aegon is not the real Aegon, and that he could actually be Illyrio’s son:

First, why wouldn’t Illyrio tell Dany and Viserys about him, or at least tell Doran and his family?
If Elia made a deal to save Aegon, why didn’t she try to save Rhaenys as well?
Why didn’t Elia tell anyone about this supposed plan? She could have written a letter to her family and Varys could have delivered it to them so that they would know Aegon survived.
Why would the Golden Company (that was always loyal to the Blackfyres) help a Targaryen prince? Especially when we consider that Viserys asked for the Golden Company’s help and was rejected, so it makes no sense for them to suddenly want to help some other Targaryen;
Illyrio even says something that hints very heavily at Aegon being a Blackfyre, when Tyrion asks him why would the Golden Company help a Targaryen: “Black or red, a dragon is still a dragon.”
Illyrio’s wife had golden and silver hair;
Illyrio’s house has children’s clothes but there seems to be no sign of children in his house;
Young Griff is traveling with a septa that has stretch marks from a pregnancy;
Illyrio even says: “I told you, my little friend, not all that a man does is done for gain. Believe as you wish, but even fat old fools like me have friends, and debts of affection to repay.”
Illyrio also sends Young Griff gifts and sounds “oddly sad” when talking about him.

Of course, nothing is set in stone until GRRM writes the next books and reveals the truth, but people have to stop acting like there’s no basis for the Aegon Blackfyre theory, because there is basis.

And Jon as the mummer’s dragon makes no sense. If Jon was going to be referred to as playing a false role (and therefore being a “mummer’s something”), he would be a mummer’s wolf, not a mummer’s dragon, because no one knows Jon is a “dragon”, everybody thinks he is a wolf. He is posing as a wolf, as a Stark bastard. Quaithe and the Undying didn’t warn Dany against a mummer’s wolf, but against a mummer’s dragon. They didn’t warn her against someone being paraded as a wolf but who is not a real wolf, they warned her against someone being paraded as a dragon but who is not a real dragon (which can only be Young Griff, because there’s no other character being paraded as a dragon in the story).

Finally, all of Dany’s other prophecies seem to refer to different people. Daughter of Death refers to Viserys, Rhaego (the tall lord with copper skin and silver hair) and Rhaegar (the dying prince with rubies flowing from his chest); Bride of Fire refers to Drogo, probably Hizdahr (the corpse on the ship), and Jon (blue flower in a wall of ice); Slayer of lies seem to refer to Stannis (blue-eyed king with no shadow), Aegon (mummer’s dragon) and probably Euron (stone beast breathing shadow fire from a smoking tower). Jon is already in another prophecy, the bride of fire prophecy. It would break the pattern GRRM wrote if he also was the cloth dragon (I’m not saying that it’s impossible for GRRM to decide to break the pattern in these prophecies, just that this pattern is another clue that Jon likely won’t appear twice and Aegon is the mummer’s dragon).

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dragons

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Daenerys Targaryen Appreciation Month 2021

Day 6 - Endgame speculation:

George R. R. Martin ties many historical parallels into A Song of Ice and Fire, particularly the series of civil wars in England called the Wars of the Roses. These wars were fought between the Yorks and Lancasters, the two branches of the royal House of Plantagenet. The conflicts resulted in ending of both direct male lines leaving only female claimants and their heirs. The two warring lines were united with the marriage of Henry VII Tudor (a Lancastrian claimant) and Elizabeth of York (the oldest daughter of Edward IV), helping to bring the conflict to an end.

Martin created a series of wars between the Targaryens and the Blackfyres, a legitimized branch of the royal family. The male line of the Blackfyres is extinguished in the War of the Five Penny Kings while the male line of the Targaryens dies in or after Robert’s Rebellion, leaving only a female claimant, Daenerys Targaryen, and men who descend from female lines of the royal family, the Baratheons and possibly Aegon/Young Griff. While Aegon was raised to believe he is the son of Rhaegar Targaryen and Elia Martell, it’s possible that he is the seventh attempt of the Blackfyre family to take the throne, this time disguising their claimant as a claimant from the opposite side.

Daenerys has parallels to both Henry VII and Elizabeth of York while Aegon has parallels with both Henry VII and Perkin Warbeck. Like Elizabeth, Daenerys’ lineage is from the direct royal line without dispute and others wish to use her claim through marriage, but like Henry VII, she spent many years in exile and was pursued by the reigning king. Like Henry VII, Aegon’s claim would come through his mother, who herself descended from the illegitimate line of the royal house and he grew up in exile, but like Perkin Warbeck, he is being passed off as a presumed dead prince.

The political side of this novel series could end with the union between Daenerys and Aegon, uniting the red dragon with the black, just as the union of Henry VII to Elizabeth of York united the red rose to the white.

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another little sketch I did this weekend, Jon/Aegon and Daeny

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Through the House of the Undying Ones and What Daenerys Targaryen Found There. ( Part I )

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redraw of that 2008 batman meme

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Young Griff (Aegon)

Varys and Illyrio crafted what they thought was a perfect plan to raise a kid to be the perfect king.

They wanted a perfect king...

To make a warrior out of him, they trained him in arms.

To make a wise man out of him, he was taught several languages, history, law and poetry. Even the mysteries of the Faith.

And to make him humble, they made sure he knew what it meant to be hungry, to cook your own food and wash your own clothes. Nothing is beyond a king, no matter how low the job may seem.

... but they created the opposite of it

Aegon is not a warrior, for he freezes in battle and is unable to fight back.

Aegon is not a wise man, for he does not listen to what his most trusted men advise him to do.

And Aegon is not humble, for he acts as a spoiled child.

Despite all the time and sources spent on him, Aegon is full of faults. No one is perfect and attempting to be so is futile, that is not how human nature works, but Illyrio and Varys have been feeding themselves with fantasies about him that do not match the reality and are unaware of his true nature. Let me show you some evidence that supports my statement.

Not a warrior:

When the stone men attack the Shy Maid, Tyrion sees him freeze and is forced to intercede to save his life. He even achieves to throw him off balance despite his stature and lack of formal training.

[The stone man] lurched forward, reaching for Young Griff (...) The boy stood staring, as still as if he too were made of stone. His hand was on his sword hilt, but he seemed to have forgotten why.

Tyrion kicked the lad's leg out from under him and leapt over him when he fell

- ADWD, Tyrion V.

Despite all his bravado the kid wasn't cut to be a warrior.

Not a wise man:

A true act of wisdom is asking for counsel about things you don't have enough knowledge. You must listen to all voices but trust the right ones. That is something Aegon seems incappable of, he trusts strangers too easily when they tell him what he wants to hear. That behavour is extremely unwise.

After giving it a lot of thought and consider every course of action, Aegon's inner circle advice him to go after Daenerys and ally with her to secure his claim. Instead, he marches to Westeros becoming Dany's enemy, all because he listened to Tyrion, who he just met, over Jon Connington, Illiryo Mopatis and Varys, who have been beside him his whole life and have more experience in political intrigue.

Not humble:

This is a part of his true nature that has appeared a lot throw the chapters. They made sure he knew what it meant to be hunger, to cook his own food and wash his own clothes, but he learned nothing out of it. He never understood their true meaning, the lesson he was suppossed to learn by doing all this lesser works. The activities were meaningless, the greater lesson was humility.

Aegon constantly acts as a spoiled child. Being defeated at cyvasse, he has a violent reaction and throws a temper tantrum.

Young Griff jerked to his feet and kicked over the board. Cyvasse pieces flew in all directions, bouncing and rolling across the deck of the Shy Maid. "Pick those up," the boy comanded.

He may well be a Targaryen after all.

- ADWD, Tyrion VI.

And the main reason why he didn't go after Daenerys was his pride.

Why should I go running to my aunt as if I were a beggar? My claim is better than her own. Let her come to me ... in Westeros.

- ADWD, The Lost Lord.

Varys uses his alleged Targaryen inheritance to legitimise his clain to the Iron Throne while Aegon thinks he deserves it because of his bloodline.

Despite all the hard work Aegon is not the perfect prince he was meant to be.

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