If I had to describe the Lovesquare in ML, I would describe it as an Ice Cream Sundae.

It has a strong base of sweet French vanilla (The cute Adrinette moments). Has some nice hot fudge (the Ladynoir banter) some chopped bananas (that marichat interactions that are sweet yet a bit out there at times) and a drizzle of caramel (for that sweet mutual Ladrien) and the cherry on top is that each of these dynamics will come together when all is revealed.

Then people started adding too much to the sundae, like adding the love rivals. (adding Blueberry jam) which overwhelms the flavors and begins to take away from the perfectly balanced sundae.

Now its a sloppy sugary mess that makers of the sundae ensure will be fine and worth it but you can see the ice cream beginning to melt and mix with the jam and then you see people adding jalapeño crunches (the reveal drama/ angst) to the top (which might add a bit of kick but is also taking away from what was established.)

Like you could have easily saved it by not adding all the stuff to it or just letting people dig in earlier. 

Perfect description

I don’t know about you but that first version of the ice cream ssundee is what brought me in, and I was ready to eat! But then they kept making us wait making the ice cream melt, the bananas started getting a bit old and brown, and now the ssundee isn’t as pleasing as it was before

And now that they added unripe ingredients, (like the power ups and unexplored Kwamis) mixed with the over ripe bananas and melted ice cream doesn’t feel balanced at all

@gale-of-the-nomads

I Wrote An Essay On The Adrigami/Adrinette/Lukanette Conflict In PowerPoint But Had To Make It Images To Fit It On A Post

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This is true and you should say it!

This is amazing! Thank you for explaining the salt

If ONNLLYYY

Just to add as a Chinese person myself, Thomas’s yellow fever REALLY shows in this series and it’s really grossed me and other Asian viewers out.

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@ thomas astruc:

“you ever get the feeling that you’re stuck, Kagami? That no matter what you do, it’s the same old story over and over again” oh you mean like everY FUCKING EPISODE OF THIS FUCKING SHOW BECAUSE NOTHING EVER FUCKING HAPPENS TO PROGRESS THE BIG PLOT????

pour some salt for me too

Welp

We got a bingo for condescending tweet from Thomas Astruc!

It’s not a joke if literally none of us are laughing and he doesn’t need to talk down to us because we don’t find it funny that everyone’s so OOC 🤷🏽‍♀️

Wow, I can’t believe that Thomas admitted that his writing is a joke. Fucking finally.

fans being able to predict plot points and suspecting that it’s fan service or our predictions influenced the show’s plot doesn’t make us “unoriginal” and “uncreative” that just means the show’s plot is predictable and not that deep

‘these fan creators give themselves tooooooo much credit‘

just because you’re a staff doesn’t mean you didn’t start as a fan creator too but go off and diss other fans using sarcasm i guess

Chloe vs Marinette: The Only Comparison That Matters

So, a lot of discourse has been going around about things that people blame Marinette for and how she’s “just as bad as Chloe”, and since people like to bring in irrelevant information about certain villains that no one even cares about, we’re going to be crystal fucking clear here, mmkay? I’m gonna cross all my ts and dot my is and give to you all the only Chloe and Marinette comparison post that matters.

We’re also going to focus on what actually happened and not speculate or worry about what could have been, but just focus on the facts as we have them. The names below are of episodes which just so happen to be named after akumas. I stg if someone reblogs this and says a peep about how Hawkmoth is the only one to cause akumas, I will have an aneurism. besides if we’re going to be anal about it, at least be an intellectual and blame the writers of the show because they literally created this and made it all happen so

We aren’t talking about akumas right now. We are talking about harm that people say Marinette caused and whether or not she actually was the one to cause said harm, and if she truly is “just as bad as Chloe” since people like to apparently use her to justify their liking of Chloe by dragging an innocent character down to her level instead of just focusing on the qualities Chloe has shown that prove she isn’t as bad as most people make her out to be, but that’s salt for another post.

So, let’s take a look at all of the things people are blaming on Marinette and decide what she should actually be blamed for vs all of the things Chloe has done. I warn you: This is a very long ride, so buckle your seatbelts.

Antibug: This episode is one that still continues to irritate me to this day. Firstly, every character in the class gets an episode named after their akuma except Sabrina because she once again has to be overshadowed by Chloe. But that’s neither here nor there. People blame Marinette/Ladybug and say she was in the wrong for not believing Chloe when she was just trying to help, even the show calls her on this and makes it out to be her fault, but honestly that’s kind of a load of bullshit, and Chat Noir of all people should know that Chloe is very flawed and be able to recognize that, yes, she did just lie to them.

What do we know about Marinette? 1. She’s very serious about doing her job, and 2. she hates liars. In this episode, we have Chloe, not only lying straight to her face, but also inhibiting her from doing her job. She and Chat Noir are literally in the middle of fighting, and Chloe is doing nothing but getting in the way and putting herself in danger, forcing Ladybug to then have to protect her on top of fighting. The fact that Chloe was trying to be truthful and helpful the second time is irrelevant. All Ladybug knows is that she previously lied to them and that she’s preventing her from doing her job. She’s not an expert lie detector. She had no way of knowing whether or not Chloe was being honest or if she was even right until it became relevant.

The problem in this scenario is Chloe’s pride and her refusal to admit to her misdeeds. She knows good and well that she withheld information, but she got pissed because Ladybug called her on it. -Which brings up another point, can we talk about how creepy it is that Chloe can access the security cameras and just straight up spy on people?- Ladybug executed fair judgment in this episode, and it’s not fair for the fandom to criticize her for not listening to someone who lied to her not five minutes before.

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An Episode as Generic as Its Name: A Stormy Weather 2 Breakdown

I have a lot of… feelings about this glorified in case you missed it recap and they’re all clamoring to be discussed at once so this will not be a pretty essay but a salt dump because that’s all my frantic hands can take.

Mrs. Lot don’t have shit on me rn.

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Finally got around to reading this because I came across the other post defending the episode, and was like um, no, this is so wrong. Stormy Weather was probably my favorite s1 episode. It was the first one I ever watched, it introduces the characters, the formula of the show, the relationship dynamics, it had gorgeous animation, some of the best I’ve seen in the whole series, and overall it’s just fun. You see the teamwork, the clever plans, the trust! So when I saw that they were bringing SW back I was immediately skeptical because with the shit writing we’ve been getting and the shit animation we’ve been getting, I knew that SW2 wasn’t going to hold a candle to SW, and I was right because this wasn’t an episode.

For an episode themed after change where all of the characters take a moment to say “look how far we’ve come,” in reality, the answer is “not very far.” I can spit farther than these characters have “grown.” It just once again proves to me that the writers don’t know how to write dynamic characters and character development. Because if we compare our characters, their personalities, their flaws, their dynamics in SW and SW2, what really has changed in two seasons? I’m not talking about what characters know now, but who they are. Adrien is still a clueless ham, Alya and Nino are still basically the same just in love now, Chloe hasn’t changed at all, Gabriel is still a bitch, so like the only person who has “changed” since then is Marinette. She has learned not to be jealous when it’s convenient to the plot, lord knows they’ve taught her that lying is wrong 8000 times, she has learned to be braver with her feelings even if she messes it up constantly, she has learned to accept that her crush may never like her as anything more than a friend, she she has learned to own up to her mistakes and apologize even when she isn’t wrong, hell she has even done nice things for Chloe, who she hates. But what do they focus on? How she can talk to Adrien without foaming at the mouth as much. Out of all the beautiful ways she has grown and all of the “lessons” they’ve shoved down her throat, and that’s all they could really think of for how she has changed?

This episode was pointless, forgettable, didn’t prove anything that we didn’t already know or infer, the animation was subpar in comparison to the original, 75% of it (maybe more) was reused animation, and like I get that animation is expensive, but with how wildly popular this show is and this being s3, where the fuck is their budget going? Not into good writing or animation. Anyone who thinks this show has good writing or thinks this episode was monumental and not entirely shady toward critics (who are right and this episode only proved that) needs to watch the show with their eyes open. I won’t say it’s my least favorite episode, but I do nominate it for “most pointless,” and we just fucking had Chris Master. Needless to say, I’m not exactly “hopeful” for the other repeat akuma episodes to come.

Stormy Weather was why I loved this show.

Stormy Weather 2 is why I hate this show.

The emotional layers of The Chloe Discourse:

True:

Adrien is allowed to be loyal to his friends and be upset that other people don’t like his friend.

Also true:

Adrien’s loyalty to Chloe should cause conflicts with his other friends who are Chloe’s victims.

True:

Chloe is a teenager who has had bad examples and should be allowed to grow.

Also true:

Chloe should face the consequences of her years of bullying and make amends. And while understanding that the nature of the show means there’s no set order and change takes time - one offs don’t mean overall growth and she should still be held accountable for her behavior.

True:

Marinette is the most frequent target of Chloe’s bullying and should be allowed to call her out/celebrate if she’s leaving.

Also true:

Marinette is narratively held accountable for not being Kind and Understanding in the face of cruelty and is “punished” either by her teachers, her conscience, her kwami, or her friends if she acts anything other than Good.  Her lesson and the lesson the audience is supposed to take away is always to be more understanding.

True:

People feel protective of Chloe because she is a teenage girl and they like the potential they see in her character.

Also true:

People hate the idea of Chloe’s redemption because they see in her their own bullies and don’t like the message that unless they forgive their tormentors they’re stooping to their level.

It’s messy and I think everyone is worked up over different things and different reactions.  It’s not wrong to want to protect a character you like but people aren’t wrong for hating the messages the writers are sending along with it.

Anyways this topic is triggering for me so I’m done fam but that’s what I see in the Chloe discourse.  Goodnight.

I had to put my bully in his place before I wasn’t scared to be around them anymore. Even then we were never friends

So, now that I am home for the evening, I guess I can dump some of my thoughts out into the world, and, mind you, I haven’t been on tumblr all day so sorry if I echo things that have already been said, but I think my biggest question for the episode is: When are we going to stop pretending that Adrien’s doormat mentality is superior? 

This isn’t the first instance where this has come up, and this isn’t hate on Adrien in anyway, but numerous times in the show at this point, typically when Marinette is faced with her bullies, Adrien is constantly that little angel on her shoulder saying, “No, Marinette. Only be nice to everyone because that is the only way. Give everyone a chance. Don’t cause problems. Stay in your lane.” To which I say FUCK THAT. If the point of this endeavor is to make Adrien’s sheltered life and naive view of the world apparent through his social ineptitude then they’re succeeding. If they’re trying to make a point about how people should respond to bullies in real life then that is just setting kids up for failure. 

You don’t owe anything to your bullies. Not a damn thing. Not a slice of human decency. If someone makes you feel worthless or afraid or less than human, if they threaten you, your mental health and well-being, people you love then you have no obligation to treat them with any sort of kindness. In fact often times doing so only allows them to take advantage of you more which is exactly what fucking happens to Adrien all the damn time, and they never address that. He simply just allows people to walk all over him. Chloe, Lila, his father, Adrien’s response to all of these undesirable people who push their will onto him is simply to just take it. 

But there’s just one tiny problem with Adrien encouraging Marinette to “take the high road.” He’s not the one being bullied. He wasn’t the one Lila threatened. He isn’t the one that Lila is trying to steal everything from. For all intents and purposes, Lila sees him as a trophy to be won just like Chloe does. And you can argue that he and Chloe are childhood friends, but let’s be real, they’re only friends when it’s convenient to the plot. And she fucking only cares because he’s rich and popular. If he was poor then their childhood “friendship” would be a charity case in her eyes because she was his only friend when he wasn’t allowed outside boohoo.

Marinette has a right to feel happy that someone who tormented her for years left the school. She has a right to defend herself when she is attacked. She is absolutely under no obligation to “take the high road” with someone who they are setting up to clearly never learn her lesson. Adrien’s entire mentality of just letting mean people be mean while they continue to use him and walk all over him because “maybe I’ll get through to them with my niceness” is absolutely convoluted and wrong. That is a mentality that keeps people in abusive relationships which if you look at Adrien’s life it’s full of, but the show never points that out because god forbid he get any development outside of boohoo my mom is dead in the basement and my dad is a raging psychopath. 

I’m just tired of Adrien being the “moral” one when his solution to everything is to just ignore it and hope it goes away. I’m tired of his non-confrontational attitude being touted as gospel truth. Yes, there is a time and place for it. Yes, it is wise to pick your battles, but when you are letting that mentality keep you in a place that is unhealthy for your mental and emotional well-being then it itself becomes toxic. Why shouldn’t Marinette be able to prove to her friends that Lila is lying? Why should she let them continue believing her and literally throw themselves at her feet and cater to her every beck and call? Why should she let her friends be used and abused like that? And if Adrien cares so much about having friends then why doesn’t it anger him that his friends are being treated this way? Like servants. Objects. Trophies. Accessories. Things to flaunt and wave around. He has cold hard proof that Lila is lying, and Lila knows that he knows. Yet he does nothing to stop her and allows his friends to live in ignorance while she manipulates them. Wow, Adrien. A+ friendship. You’re a real superstar. 

I’m so sick and tired of Adrien telling Marinette to let herself continue to be bullied. To do nothing because it’s what’s “right.” I’m not saying that Marinette needs to stoop to their level, but if she can stand up for herself and give herself some peace of mind, why the hell shouldn’t she? I dunno. Maybe it’s because I know what it’s like to be bullied. Maybe it’s because I still carry insecurities from my childhood bullies so I know the lasting damage they can have. Maybe it’s because I’m tired of Marinette getting the short end of the stick in all of these arcs where she is the only one who has to learn a lesson while everyone else gets to be as fucking problematic as they want I’m looking at you class who didn’t apologize for putting your good friend in the back by herself. Maybe I’m just tired. Who knows?

If my crush told me to back down, I would drop him in a Heart. Beat.