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If it was just Alya salt that would be one thing (tho i still scratch my head at the amount of criticism she gets), but to have that coupled with chloe apparently being so awesome in fanworks makes me wanna throw up lol

Alya and Marinette’s friendship hasn’t been the best this season obviously, and it’s irritating how they don’t make alya have any faith in marinette about the lila situation, but that’s the fault of writers who can’t figure out a way to make this more believable along with them not giving two shits about alya’s character in the first place. They need Marinette to not be believed now matter how easy it should be. Alya’s a victim of writing neglect (as opposed to chloe and adrien who they try too hard with in different ways), so she’s made to do whatever the writers need her to do to fit the plot. That’s why sometimes she’s an awesome friend and sometimes we’re left going ‘wtf’. We’re never given any insight into what Alya personally thinks on this matter because they don’t care to do that. I just want to remind people that between seasons 2 and 3, Alya has had ONE episode focusing on her and her own growth. It’s hardly fair to judge her so harshly when half the time she’s being used to push multiple plots forward and that’s it. 

It’s to the extent that I’m even a little baffled that Adrien gets so much more criticism directed his way compared to Chloe a lot of the times. And this is not me saying the character doesn’t deserve it, but Chloe’s character and people’s reaction to her just completely confounds me. People are willing to give this character 50 chances. People will see her shoddy development and shake their fists at the writers and say it’s not fair for her character, but Alya and Adrien aren’t offered the same respect? And again, Adrien is a bit of a special case for various reasons (the number 1 reason being how he apparently can do no wrong) and I don’t blame a lot of people for taking it out in fanworks, but comparatively Chloe is treated so much better and I don’t understand what it is about this girl that they latch on to. She ain’t shit lol

Let people enjoy canon and fanon how they want

Someone has a different headcannon than you? So what!

Someone disagrees with your headcannon and they need you to present evidence? They can perish.

Someone enjoys a character in an entirely different way than you do? Boo-friggin-hoo, suck it up, deal with it.

We do NOT need a fanon police, you killjoys.

Grow up and get some chill.

same shit, different fandom

Aren’t most fandoms the same? (Good and bad parts)

Luka Couffaine: My thoughts now. (Gale Rants about ML)

I want to say this is strictly my opinion.

Rant below.

(I’m on Mobile so this is my warning)

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I use to not really like Luka when he first appeared.

Then I was neutral towards him.

But now, I realized how badly this character got f***ed over. I pity him.

I feel like I should be clear, I don’t think there is any scenario at this moment where I would ever ship Luka//nette. To be honest it has nothing to do with the character. By all logic and preference, I should be able to ship it. I use to think it was just like an irrational mental allergic reaction to it, but I figured it out. I can say I don’t ship Luka//nette because of two major Factors.

1. The canon Writing outside of the Luka//nette encounters:

I feel like this needs some context on why I say this.

First of all Luka has a massive handicap in terms of Love rivals. For one, he is a classmates older brother. Old enough that they are in different schools. If Marinette was in the same school, this probably would not be as huge of a disadvantage. So Marinette’s only real interactions with him will be actively seeking him out, him seeking her out, or something regarding costume/ designs for the band. Marinette isn’t even in the band officially. This really cuts Luka’s chances for natural interactions.

Kagami is the opposite, she has a Lot Of advantages. She is on Adrien’s fencing team, her mom and Adrien’s dad are business partners and it results in Kagami and Adrien having more encounters naturally. This allows for more development.

Another issue is how little interaction he has with other Characters. At the very least we don’t see it. Luka has more verbal interactions with Marinette then any other character combined. We don’t get to see what’s his personality to people he is friends with, even his own family. It’s so limiting. It’s like his personality is Musician that likes Marinette. That’s it. For me to ship something, I need to have something more to grasp about the character cause I like seeing how the ship brings out the best in eachother. That’s why fanon Luka is a lot more interesting and I think that if Fanon Luka was canon this issue would be null.

2. The fandom, spite/salt shippers:

To be honest, this is 90% of the reason I just can’t ship Luka//nette. (I can ship Mari with so many others. Even though I love the love square). The spite shippers just paint Adrien and a lot of others in such a nasty light. It sucks that like it seems like 40% of that tag is filled with just character hate of others, specifically Adrien. For those that like the ship for reasons outside of hating Adrien/others, I am completely fine with it. But the spite shipping has just... ruined it for me.

To end my point. Luka got screwed over a lot. I use to think I hated him but really, there is nothing substantial about him for me to hate or love. He is just sort of a plot device for the writers and a weaponized salt weapon for spite shippers.

I honestly wish he gets more development, any kind of development even if it paints him in a negative light. I want to see flaws, I want to see growth and development.

I want a reason to grow to like this character.

I do wish that he would interact with his own sister. Like they barely look at each other.

If we're gonna start this whole blame game again and say Marinette "caused" all these akumas then let's start up a list of things that Adrien "caused" to happen:

Copycat, an obvious one. Directly his fault for lying and saying that he and Ladybug were together.

Timebreaker, if Adrien wasn't such a fucking pushover with Chloe then maybe she wouldn't have dropped the watch.

Horrificator, if he had checked his best friends (Chloe and Nino) on their behavior and stood up for Mylene then she wouldn't have gotten akumatized.

Rogercop, he should have been more aware of what his kwami was up to.

Reflekta, again if Adrien had the balls to put Chloe in her place and tell her to pipe the fuck down then maybe Juleka wouldn't have gotten locked in the bathroom.

Gamer, Adrien also beat Max.

Volpina, if Adrien wasn't such a gullible shit and sniffed out that Lila wasn't being honest about her superpowers then she wouldn't have such a blood grudge against Ladybug for having to call her out.

The Collector, Adrien took his father's book. No one made him do that.

Christmas special, if Adrien hadn't been a little bitch baby and left the house then people wouldn't have had to go out looking for him, and Ladybug wouldn't have thought Santa was an akuma.

Riposte, if Adrien had stepped in and stood up for Marinette and not forced her to make a command decision despite being a beginner then Kagami wouldn't have been akumatized.

Prime Queen, if Chat had actually backed his partner up instead of eating up the limelight and calmly and respectfully dispelled rumors then maybe Ladybug wouldn't have had to remove herself from an uncomfortable situation causing Nadja to lose her show.

Gorizilla, pretty obvious but if he hadn't snuck out then Gorilla wouldn't have had to chase him and get yelled at.

Glaciator, if Adrien had just fucking showed up to be with his friends like he promised instead of trying to get his dick wet then Marinette would have been happier and wouldn't have left.

Dark Owl, Chat wanted to scare Mr. Damocles initially and he was also there helping Ladybug with their scheme.

Frozer, if Adrien had promised to promote the ice rink from the beginning instead of letting Kagami dictate his actions then that akuma could have been avoided.

Animaestro, if Adrien had stood up for the creator of the movie that he got to fucking be in then maybe he wouldn't have felt so left out.

Weredad, if Chat hadn't been so suspicious of Marinette being on her own fucking balcony right after they just sent a fucking donut through her room then she wouldn't have had to come up with an excuse to protect her identity.

Onichan, if Adrien didn't fucking trust Lila as far as he could throw her then she wouldn't have sent that photo.

Chameleon, it was Adrien scolding Lila that ultimately led her to accept the akuma.

Miraculer, if Chat had offered to go tell Chloe in Ladybug's place seeing as she was obviously busy then Miraculer could have been avoided.

Now if you're sitting here thinking to yourself, well, he didn't actually do anything wrong in any of these/everyone makes mistakes/he didn't mean to/these slight bits of involvement aren't enough to say that he "caused" the akumatization but are incapable of doing the same thing for Marinette then you need to take a good long look at your bias and accept the fact that you just don't like Marinette, you sexist fucks.

“We as a fandom have to talk about-” No. No we don’t. You can talk about it if you want to. That’s fine, if that’s how you fandom then go for it. I hope it works out for you because I want you to enjoy your fandom experience. But if I’m in fandom for reasons that’s counter to, then I have no obligation to talk about it. I don’t have to talk about anything except what I want to.

“Okay but you have to talk about your fave’s flaws-” No! No I don’t! I have to be able to acknowledge those flaws when they come up. I have to be able to admit that my character has flaws, and accept when others talk about those flaws. But I don’t have to talk about them if I don’t want to. If I want to only focus on the better aspects of my fave, even if that means just shallowly talking about how hot they are, I can. That’s my choice, that’s how I’ve decided to enjoy them.

Fandom is meant to be fun. Fandom is meant to be a hobby. I don’t have to talk about any aspect of my favorite story or ship or character or writer or anything if I don’t want to. You know what’s not fun? Having to talk about the ways my favorite thing is bad every time I want to talk about it. Having to point out my favorite thing’s flaws instead of the things that makes me enjoy it. Having to disclaim before I get to sing something’s praises because “yeah I know it’s shit BUT”. No. I can know something is bad without needing to talk about it.

‘discourse’ really is a term that lends too much credibility to shit that’s just fandom wank#and it distracts away from real issues like fandom racism or how there’s this horrifying trend that emerged when fans feel is a-ok#to harass creators #etc.#fictional characters should never come before real people#that shit’s seriously messed up

bomb ass tags

Sonic and his fandom may have their ups and downs, but at least people haven’t thrown pitchforks at fanartists for making Shadow’s fur a slightly lighter shade of black.

A friendly reminder for everyone. Please remember that salt is a seasoning and not a meal. Too much can ruin the taste of things one enjoys.

I thought you meant actually salt for a second XD

It works for both tbh

i understand the idea of the whole “hey everyone defends marinette when bad writing but no one defends adrien” and i’m like… astruc defends him. astruc defends him HARD. if canon adrien is The Lila Apologist then the creator himself Thomas Astruc is Adrien’s top apologist. 

yeah i’m gonna defend marinette more because the bad writing is INTENTIONALLY painting her as a bad person, or at least validating the lessons she learns. meanwhile astruc is here blocking people because Adrien is perfect and he will die on that hill.

How is Adrien a Lila apologist? He thought she and Ladybug made up in Chameleon. He told her to fuck off in Oni Chan when he found out she was still a hateful bitch?

Marinette is the main character. No one is making her bad intentionally. She is not bad in any way? The writing tends to be very off, but that is because some of the creators have v weird ideas of comic relief (obsessive behaviour and stalking =/= funny, actually)

Don’t blame Thomas for the double standards and the biased behaviour in this fandom. He likes both Mari and Adrien, it’s his freaking show. No one is asking you guys to interact with him smh? I don’t get it

No hate, Just very irritated because not one sentence made sense to me I’m sorry ;

While I don’t agree that Adrien is a Lila Apologist, I see where the op is coming from. Adrien is never given the chance to grow and learn from his mistakes because the writers keep treating him as if he were perfect, even though he isn’t. Don’t get me wrong, I love Adrien with all my heart. He’s a sunshine and a bean, but he’s still human and he still makes mistakes. The issue is that the narrative never calls him out on them and instead calls out Marinette for unnecessary things and makes her learn unnecessary lessons instead of either focusing on Adrien’s mistake or Marinette’s ACTUAL mistake.

Between Chameleon and Oni-chan Adrien: 

So yeah, I’m calling him an apologist. You don’t have to agree with that, but those are my reasons.

That aside, let’s talk about Astruc.

I will not blame Astruc for misogyny in this fandom. There’s misogyny in just about EVERY fandom, and ML is not unique in that.

But I will blame him for enabling this.

I will blame him for his misogynistic trope of all the girls fighting each other for a single guy fuelling all the anti-girl sentiments. I will blame him for writing female characters whose only arcs appear to be being in love with boys. I will blame him for constantly defending Adrien’s shitty canon actions as “perfect” and valid and not worthy of being called out for unless the people he hurts also accept fault. I will blame him for ML being lauded as something empowering for girls when really it is hitting the bare minimum of being progressive by having a central female protagonist who kicks stuff and punches things.

These characters are fictional. Everything they do in canon is planned by Astruc and the writers, and sometimes there are unintentional consequences of that planning.

But instead of saying “I’m sorry, I didn’t realise it came off that way”, or “I didn’t have a lot of time to write the script”, he has repeatedly doubled down that he knows what he’s doing and belittled and blocked people who criticise his work.

So no, I don’t blame Astruc for misogyny in this fandom—I blame him for enabling all this toxic shit.

I can’t really disagree with you on Thomas because I’ve only been in this fandom for half a year and I’ve never seen many of his statements or intended to interact with him. So yeah, as long as you do not try to justify this fandom’s biased misogynistic behaviour by saying that Adrien is defended by the creator, and thus, doesn’t deserve the same loving treatment that Mari gets – I guess I can go along with that.

BUT I stand by my opinion that Adrien is NOT a Lila Apologist.

How can you think that he does NOT care about his loved ones?

I agree with both sides. But I chalk this all up to the writers not being consistent and clear with whatever message they’re trying to send

Regarding Adrien Agreste and Victim Blaming

Ok, so in this post I’m digging in DEEP. If you have any troubles with consent issues, I’d kindly suggest you to not read this post.

Something that I have noticed recently is how biased the fandom is when it comes to female characters! I love female characters and I really really want to see Miraculous be the “Girl Power Show” that we all need and deserve! Unfortunately, the writing in this show is….not always good. I guess most of us are on the same page when it comes to that. The possessive, negative energy between the girls is incredibly strong and having to see all that happen because of one (1) guy, whose feelings on this issue are completely disregarded, is …not so fun to watch.

Writing or not, the behaviour of the girls (Lila, Chloe, Kagami, Mari) is, without a doubt, problematic. It is disappointing to witness all of that, especially in Kagami’s and Marinette’s case since I don’t think that these characters were intentionally written to be problematic. I will elaborate on that later on.

I have seen many people blame this on Adrien for not making his feelings 100% clear. However, you guys need to cut Adrien some slack. He is not at fault for the possessive, stalkerish and aggressive behaviour of the girls. It’s sad because all Adrien does is…well.. minding his own damn business. He just wants to do his work, hang out with his friends in school, fence and kick some akuma butts with his crush. He is not leading anyone on. He’s merely being kind, loving, gentle and supportive. Yet, the drama seems to haunt him down nonetheless. Talk about Bad Luck, eh?

His “problem” is just that he is undersocialized and thus, he is not sure how to handle his current situation and honestly …can you blame him? This guy does not receive any kind of affection at home and is, on top of that, famous. He has no experiences with romantic relationships. Thus, it’s definitely not a stretch to say that he has a hard time distinguishing between platonic feelings, romantic feelings and admiration. Moreover: all of the characters are young teenagers and definitely not mature enough (yet) to handle all these emotions in a super reasonable way. All I can really say on that is: sometimes it be like that.

At at the end of the day, Adrien’s just a confused kid who admires Kagami and Marinette for their personal strengths and for being amazing friends.

Something more serious that hardly anybody seems to adress is Lila’s and Adrien’s dynamic. Honestly, this issue feels a little personal to me for several reasons but– Lila is making Adrien SO UNCONFORTABLE and NOBODY seems to care?

No one in the show seems to stop and think: “Hey Adrien seems kinda pressured, maybe I should help him or check on him.” He is constantly being followed and touched by Lila and it’s disgusting! She forces herself into his room, his private place, and then proceeds to force a kiss on him without his consent!! And NO ONE cares! It’s so disappointing. Especially in Kagami’s and Mari’s case. I really hoped that at least one of them would call Lila out on this. Not on her lies, not on her crush on Adrien, but on touching Adrien without his consent. Oni Chan wasn’t the first time she has done this. She was just as bad in Volpina and Chameleon.

👏This is straight up 👏predatory behaviour 👏holy shit. 👏

The whole time that Mari followed them I hoped she would get a chance to actually do something about this…nope. Same with Kagami..she sees this picture and despite being such a smart bean she..doesn’t stop a minute to analyse the photo and get to the bottom of this? Or take the time to at least ASK Adrien? Text him? Nope. She gets mad and cries immediately. Just seems so out of character for her.

All the girls do is fight OVER Adrien, like over some kind of trophy, completely dehumanizing him! No one is worried ABOUT him and this is, for me personally, the worst thing to happen on this show. He. Deserves. BETTER.

I am also a little sad that the fandom seems to be sleeping on this issue as well and instead, even blames Adrien for not making his feelings clear and “leading the girls on”, like Kagami apparently. No one seems to stop and say “Kagami kind of overreacted, it’s not Adrien’s fault”. Instead let’s blame the guy, who is obviously the victim in this situation, for ….what? Being attractive? Liking Kagami? Being nice to girls? Would you prefer him to be a jerk just so they don’t get their hopes up? Shouldn’t you, by this logic, blame Marinette as well? For getting Luka’s hopes up?

Like…I get that you guys are upset over the writing of the female characters. I am, too. But accusing Adrien of leading them on is victim blaming and just plain wrong. ☠💀 Lila is disgusting and does not respect Adrien’s personal space. Kagami had no reason to react the way that she did over the picture. Marinette is sleeping on Adrien being harassed (despite watching him and Lila multiple times).

I hate bringing up this argument– but IF: Lila had been a guy that would constantly hit on Marinette and IF Adrien wouldn’t stand up for her despite WITNESSING everything – the fandom would TEAR ADRIEN TO SHREDS. You know I’m right.

Don’t get me wrong– I love Kagami and Marinette so freaking much and I seriously hope for them to mature over time. But PLEASE don’t be biased just because you want your female characters to be perfect. They’re not, Adrien isn’t either. Hopefully they will grow. Hopefully they will stop seeing each others as rivals and respect Adrien’s feelings. PLEASE don’t interpret Lila’s behaviour as childish flirting. This is harassment, wrong and I seriously hope she will leave him alone post Oni Chan.

Trigger mention:

If Lila was able to get away with kissing Adrien ALONE in his ROOM....

Most abuse happens right under Adults nose. It can happen in the next room to you and maybe something can happen while you’re IN the same room. All it takes is lack of observation and open communication.

And Gabriel allowed that THING to access his house.

Sometimes a person worse than the person who abuses you, is those who know, yet let it happen anyway.