The Starks of Winterfell by Jota Saraiva.
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If the Stark children were to be married to Stark banner men (like many Stark did before) who do you think they would marry (I hope you understand the question!) :)
Even in a world where the plot of ASOIAF never happens, I don’t think the Stark children ever would have all married northern bannermen. I mean, look at the Stark family tree – even in generations where boys were marrying daughters of bannermen, girls were being sent to the Vale and Stormlands. And Blackwood brides went north more than once, a Royce too. In this generation, particularly with Catelyn’s southern connections, Sansa almost certainly would have gone south (to the Riverlands or Vale if not further), and probably Bran too (especially with his dreams of knighthood). You can see some ideas along those lines here and here.
But let’s assume for some reason Ned Stark is in a super-isolationist mode, and prefers to neither import nor export brides. So let’s look at the eligible young people of the North, see who’s out there. I’m going to use how old they’d be in 300AC as a baseline because it’s easiest for math, although even Robb and Jon and Sansa would very probably marry after that date (yes, Robb and Jon would be 17, but boys usually marry later, and Sansa’s only 14 and girls normally marry after adulthood at 16, not immediately after menarche). Also since the plot doesn’t happen, anyone who died past the start of AGOT is still alive in this AU.
Interesting, but what about a scenario where Ned and Cat consider both Northern and Southern houses? I could see maybe Ned and/or Cat reaching out to the Redwynes and ask for the hand of Desmera Redwyne for Robb. And maybe Sansa could be betrothed to Willas Tyrell, seeing as Mace wanted legitimacy to his family and Sansa’s uncle will be the lord of the Riverlands, with whom they share a border.
Edit: I also think Mera isn’t of high enough birth for Robb.
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Say The War of Five Kings never breaks out (Jon Aryan is still alive in this scenario), who do you think Ned would marry his kids to? Maybe Robb to Desmera Redwyne? Mace might also be open to the idea of Sansa marrying Willas Tyrell, seeing as he wanted his family to no longer seen as upstarts and the Starks are one of the oldest families and are of royal blood (the Starks also have ties to the Riverlands, with whom mace shares a border), and I think Arya could marry Harrion Karstark.
I think the trauma of losing his family and fear of losing the rest of them would actually make him want to keep his family close. Old friend Robert Baratheon (plus the whispers of conspiracy and that Eddard sincerely believes he has to do what he can to stop it) can get him to break out of that, but just politicking as normal? He’ll probably want to keep up north.
Thanks for the question, Bruin.
SomethingLikeALawyer, Hand of the King
I hear that, but Robb would still be in Winterfell if he were betrothed to a southern woman. It’s his daughters that would be sent away, right?
Edit: also, if he wanted to keep it close to home, who would he pick for his daughters?
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With a reasonable degree of accuracy, we can figure out the birth months of several main characters. I have used modern months for ease
Robb:...
Yeah I guess we do have to wait. I just hope we see Howland Reed in The Winds of Winter.
bigbadbruin343 reblogged
With a reasonable degree of accuracy, we can figure out the birth months of several main characters. I have used modern months for ease
Robb: September 283
Jon Snow: late July/early August 283
Sansa: December 286
Arya: March 289
Bran: July 290
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Than why in other parts of the book does it say that Robb is older?
lizzierh
I thought that at first hence the research. Do you have any quotes for that?
No quotes but facts. Jon was born a month or so after the Sack of King’s Landing, we know that Robb was conceived during Ned and Cat’s wedding night so given the nine month pregnancy Robb would have been born before the Sack of King’s Landing. I also went to the wiki which GRRM uses if he can’t remember something.
lizzierh
I added the nine months. If the war lasted ‘close to a year’, Robb is not conceived at the start but a lot closer to the middle, At least 11 weeks pass by my calculations from Brandon’s death and Cat’s actual wedding so Robb is born in the last month of the war, Jon in the penultimate or anti-penultimate month. Thus, Jon and Wylla beat Cat and Robb back to Winterfell, having come a lot further.
Ned and Cat's wedding was near the start of the war. There were smaller battles like the Battle of Sumerhall but following the Ned and Cat's wedding you have the battle of the bells. Know we don't know how many months passed after that and the Battle of the Trident but I'd say a few months. I would also say that even if Robb was born after the Sack of Kings Landing it would probably be only a few weeks.
Another point is that, while Cat is a bitch to Jon she never brings up Jon being older than Robb. I know that she's worried about Jon being a threat to Robb and her grandchildren but one would think that she would be far more worried if Jon was older and that is something she would bring up in the narrative especially when Robb legitimised Jon shortly before The Red Wedding. Jon's age is something she would bring up as if Robb were to legitimate Jon, Jon would be king, as he would be the elder (though if you ask me he's the king of all of Westros).
bigbadbruin343 reblogged
With a reasonable degree of accuracy, we can figure out the birth months of several main characters. I have used modern months for ease
Robb: September 283
Jon Snow: late July/early August 283
Sansa: December 286
Arya: March 289
Bran: July 290
…
Than why in other parts of the book does it say that Robb is older?
lizzierh
I thought that at first hence the research. Do you have any quotes for that?
No quotes but facts. Jon was born a month or so after the Sack of King's Landing, we know that Robb was conceived during Ned and Cat's wedding night so given the nine month pregnancy Robb would have been born before the Sack of King's Landing. I also went to the wiki which GRRM uses if he can't remember something.
bigbadbruin343 reblogged
With a reasonable degree of accuracy, we can figure out the birth months of several main characters. I have used modern months for ease
Robb: September 283
Jon Snow: late July/early August 283
Sansa: December 286
Arya: March 289
Bran: July 290
...
Than why in other parts of the book does it say that Robb is older?
bigbadbruin343 reblogged
Birth months
With a reasonable degree of accuracy, we can figure out the birth months of several main characters. I have used modern months for ease
Robb: September 283
Jon Snow: late July/early August 283
Sansa: December 286
Arya: March 289
Bran: July 290
Rickon: Early 295
Joffrey: February 286
Dany: May 284
The only problem with this is that Robb is older than Jon.
bigbadbruin343 reblogged
a game of stark children not listening to their fucking mother
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You should have listened to him Robb.
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joffersbaratheon-deactivated201
Perhaps you should speak to me more softly then. Monsters are dangerous and, just now, kings are dying like flies.
bigbadbruin343 reblogged
This should be in the book (: