The moment all the smiles died...
Art by M.Luisa Giliberti.
The moment all the smiles died...
Art by M.Luisa Giliberti.
The Starks of Winterfell by Jota Saraiva.
any chance we get so see some nedcat soon? either individually or together, I’m so in love with how you draw them ❤️
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there'll be more <3
"And your daughter's life, my lord? How precious is that?"
Rereading AGOT and this line hit me harder than usual..
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If the Stark children were to be married to Stark banner men (like many Stark did before) who do you think they would marry (I hope you understand the question!) :)
Even in a world where the plot of ASOIAF never happens, I don’t think the Stark children ever would have all married northern bannermen. I mean, look at the Stark family tree – even in generations where boys were marrying daughters of bannermen, girls were being sent to the Vale and Stormlands. And Blackwood brides went north more than once, a Royce too. In this generation, particularly with Catelyn’s southern connections, Sansa almost certainly would have gone south (to the Riverlands or Vale if not further), and probably Bran too (especially with his dreams of knighthood). You can see some ideas along those lines here and here.
But let’s assume for some reason Ned Stark is in a super-isolationist mode, and prefers to neither import nor export brides. So let’s look at the eligible young people of the North, see who’s out there. I’m going to use how old they’d be in 300AC as a baseline because it’s easiest for math, although even Robb and Jon and Sansa would very probably marry after that date (yes, Robb and Jon would be 17, but boys usually marry later, and Sansa’s only 14 and girls normally marry after adulthood at 16, not immediately after menarche). Also since the plot doesn’t happen, anyone who died past the start of AGOT is still alive in this AU.
Interesting, but what about a scenario where Ned and Cat consider both Northern and Southern houses? I could see maybe Ned and/or Cat reaching out to the Redwynes and ask for the hand of Desmera Redwyne for Robb. And maybe Sansa could be betrothed to Willas Tyrell, seeing as Mace wanted legitimacy to his family and Sansa’s uncle will be the lord of the Riverlands, with whom they share a border.
Edit: I also think Mera isn’t of high enough birth for Robb.
Say The War of Five Kings never breaks out (Jon Aryan is still alive in this scenario), who do you think Ned would marry his kids to? Maybe Robb to Desmera Redwyne? Mace might also be open to the idea of Sansa marrying Willas Tyrell, seeing as he wanted his family to no longer seen as upstarts and the Starks are one of the oldest families and are of royal blood (the Starks also have ties to the Riverlands, with whom mace shares a border), and I think Arya could marry Harrion Karstark.
I think the trauma of losing his family and fear of losing the rest of them would actually make him want to keep his family close. Old friend Robert Baratheon (plus the whispers of conspiracy and that Eddard sincerely believes he has to do what he can to stop it) can get him to break out of that, but just politicking as normal? He’ll probably want to keep up north.
Thanks for the question, Bruin.
SomethingLikeALawyer, Hand of the King
I hear that, but Robb would still be in Winterfell if he were betrothed to a southern woman. It’s his daughters that would be sent away, right?
Edit: also, if he wanted to keep it close to home, who would he pick for his daughters?
After the finale episode, there's a debate going on about who started the war. Many are saying it was Rhaegar and Lyanna, some are saying it was Robert. Lyanna was the beginning of everything, yes that's true but I believe it was the mad king who started the war. What do you think?
Aerys II. It was Aerys who crossed the definitive line of feudal obligation by having Brandon’s companions and their fathers executed for no crime and murdering Rickard and Brandon in a gross mockery of justice, and Aerys who ramped up the tyranny by demanding the heads of Jon Arryn’s wards, again for no crime. The king’s demand was the spur for Jon Arryn to call his banners and truly begin the war. Robert became the namesake of the war through his military leadership, his acclamation as king on the eve of the Trident, and (of course) his eventual victory, but his reputation was yet to be made when Aerys called for his head and Jon gathered his banners; he and Eddard were at that point only wronged parties in a larger feudal conflict.
Now, don’t get me wrong, I don’t want to absolve Rhaegar of blame. Even if he did not know that Brandon would ride for the capital or that Aerys would take the extraordinary step of murdering Lord Stark and his heir, Rhaegar completely failed to account either for hotheaded Brandon’s reaction to his sister’s disappearance (which he might have guessed, having witnessed Brandon having to be restrained from confronting him at Harrenhal) or his violently paranoid father’s response (especially since the Defiance of Duskendale was only five years or so in the past, and Aerys had only grown worse since). More troublingly, when Rhaegar finally did emerge from the Red Mountains, he refused an opportunity to seek peace - by denouncing his father’s illegal executions and trying to make a settlement with the rebels - and instead took up arms for the crown, essentially saying that Rhaegar condoned what the king had done. That move ensured that the rebels would think Rhaegar just as guilty of tyranny as his father, and forever destroyed any hope that the rebels could lay down their arms and accept Rhaegar as king if his father were removed from power (and, perhaps, set the death knell for House Targaryen as a ruling institution). But if you’re asking who started the war, that’s very clearly Aerys.
To be fair, would Robert (or even Ned) want to negotiate with Rhaegar? Robert especially. How could Rhaegar seek peace when that would only piss his dad off even more? (who was holding his wife and children hostage)
Personally, I think there is blame to go around; Rhaegar, Brandon, Aerys, even Lyanna. But hey, people do stupid s**t for love.
What happens if the Battle of the Trident is indecisive, and neither Rhaegar nor Robert die?
The two sides jockey for position and try to force battle on ground that suits their strategic interest in the hopes of forcing a decisive defeat. Neither Tywin nor the Greyjoys are moving.
Thanks for the question, Anon.
SomethingLikeALawyer, Hand of the King
So Rhaegar doesn’t try to parley, or overthrow his father? I always felt that if Rhaegar just told Ned that Lyanna was fine, and that he wants to overthrow his father, he MIGHT at least listen to what Rhaegar has to say.
I never met my mother…
Yeah, she cares.
"Ned really knows who [Jon’s parents are], but he can’t let on. That’s why it’s such a moving moment, those poignant scenes I have with Kit Harington [who plays Jon], because I couldn’t say what I really thought. There are so many things I could have said, because there is a love there between the two of them, but I can’t express it as overtly as I can with the other children, who I can hold and kiss. Even if I were his true father, I can’t talk about it for fear of offending my wife, who’s really bitter about this. So it’s really a cruel situation. Through no fault of his own, Ned took on a lot by taking Jon in."
I wonder if Sean is going to get into trouble for this.
A Game of Thrones, Chapter 6:
Catelyn you have no idea how much loved Ned loved Jon's mother. Just not the way you think.
That he does Ned, that he does.
"The next time we see each other we'll talk about your mother, hm? I promise."
If only he could see the boy again, sit and talk with him… “Promise me, Ned”
"Promise me, Ned"
"I promise."