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Jokes as well as Justice

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"For jokes as well as justice come in with speech." pyramidofmice's Narnia sideblog Main Blog | books & movies | Call me Pyra! | Ao3
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I am literally never going to be over the fact that Eustace's first instinct was to threaten to sue absolutely any and everyone and he just did not give it up for like, a week and a half or something

Even after being confronted with a talking mouse and all the other normal Narnian nonsense, he really thought he was going to succeed in dragging one of those guys into an English court of law in full armor with a sword, and somehow this would constitute a victory for him

Child. Cross-dimensional lawsuits aren't a thing. And if they were, you would not want C. S. Lewis to be the one who wrote it

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Reepicheep & The Wave

I was inspired by this gifset, and I wanted to make my own post just in case the gifmaker (@scottmalloy) wouldn't appreciate a bunch of meta in their notifications 😅

Honestly I think the movie did really well in translating this moment to the screen. The scene in the book grounds you in the perspective of the human characters: Reepicheep disappears over the edge of the wave. This emphasizes that he's going to a beautiful place, but one that the kids aren't able to understand yet. However, the book has the advantage of 3rd person narration. When C.S. Lewis presents the image to his reader, he can give mood and the visuals as one: "[the wave] was a smooth green slope. The coracle went more and more quickly, and beautifully it rushed up the wave's side" (Voyage of the Dawn Treader [VotDT], chapter 16). Lewis can tell us the motion was 'beautiful,' but the movie has to convince us to find it beautiful.

However, the movie has the advantage of being able to take us along with Reepicheep without needing to describe what he's seeing. The water rushing under his boat & towards the screen (4th gif) gives that sense of "more and more quickly...it rushed up the wave," but our ability to empathize with his sweet little Mouse face facial expression (5th gif) is what really solidifies that poignant 'beauty' from the book.

That visual of the Pevensies and Caspian in the background (gifs 4 & 5) achieves the same effect of the book's final image of Reepicheep. There's a feeling of mounting adventure & happiness, and then a moment of quiet wonder when he disappears into a place the reader/viewer can't go. The movie gets this feeling by having the audience rise up the wave with Reep, then come to a slow stop as he passes us by. We see the humans through the spray and realize we're still in their shoes. Meanwhile, the book utilizes the power of 3rd person narration by having Reepicheep slip beyond the reach of the story: "For one split second they saw [the coracle's] shape and Reepicheep's on the very top. Then it vanished, and since that moment no one can truly claim to have seen Reepicheep the Mouse" (VotDT, ch. 16).

In the movie, the mist from the wave, the faint rainbow inside, the vibrant colors of the water, & the image of Reepicheep's smile give us that "moment of quiet wonder" that I mentioned before. Lewis, on the other hand, tells us: "...since that moment no one can truly claim to have seen Reepicheep the Mouse. But my belief is that he came safe to Aslan's country and is alive there to this day" (ch. 16).

PS. The thing that got me excited about this gifset in the first place is the sword in gif 1! This visual appears in the book: "Then [Reepicheep] took off his sword ('I shall need it no more,' he said) and flung it far...Where it fell it stood upright with the hilt above the surface" (ch. 16). The sword-in-the-ground symbol pops up across history and can have various meanings. However, one meaning is that the sword alludes to the Christian cross (✝️). I bet this sword/cross symbol is what Lewis (and the VotDT movie) were referencing. This symbol can be interpreted as a sign of peace, since a sword in the ground is a weapon with its dangerous side 'buried'/set aside.

Again, I like how the movie translates this image. The poignance of this moment in the book comes from the chapter's overall tone. For example, here's a line that precedes Reep throwing the sword: "everything now felt as if it had been fated or had happened before" (ch. 16). Meanwhile, the movie emphasizes the poignance by contrasting Reep's casual discarding of the weapon ("I won't be needing this," gif 1) with the hugeness of the scene overall.

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The main reason I wish the Narnia movies went on is so I could see Peter Pevensie growing into an adult. This kid was forced to grow up so fast; he had to fight for survival and lead an army when he was just a teenager. Seeing him actually come into his own and make a life for himself would be so rewarding. Watching this guy pick a major that he likes, discuss career options he might like with his dad, use the family car to visit friends on the weekends…it’s required for my mental health, okay?

None of this to say that these are the only things that constitute a “normal life.” There’s no shame in not doing secondary education and/or not having a career plan! I’m just thinking about Book!Peter being a nerd and studying for exams at Professor Kirke’s…I want to see him fall in love with some niche humanities progam, no matter how many people tell him could do more in other fields!! I want to see Peter study medieval theology and dabble in Latin and Ancient Greek…I want to see him ramble about his projects on walks with his friends…I want to see him get published in some obscure journal, to which Lucy responds by throwing a whole party.

Really, I just want to see Peter pursue his dreams

Historically, I tend to go with the deleted scene from the Prince Caspian movie where Peter’s like “oh yeah I wanted to be a doctor back home” but like honestly??? The thought of him indulging in pursuing a career because it brings him joy??? Not because he feels like he needs to help someone else? Like, “yeah, there’s plenty of doctors here, now that we’re back home, I’m not responsible for my family’s safety… I can do whatever I want,” and him deciding that what he wants is to disappear into academia, especially something that reminds him of their home in Narnia like medieval studies, and just lets him be a peaceful academic while still using the military and political knowledge he built up for years, but now in a wholly theoretical or interpretational way??? This poor boy gets to know peace and pursue his interests not based on what he thinks the people around him need most??

You’ve converted me.

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“A dragon has just flown over the tree-tops and lighted on the beach. Yes, I am afraid it is between us and the ship. And arrows are no use against dragons. And they're not at all afraid of fire."

"With your Majesty's leave-" began Reepicheep.

"No, Reepicheep," said the King very firmly, "you are not to attempt a single combat with it.”

- The Voyage of the Dawn Treader

i love that their conversation is basically just "i'm gonna fight the dragon" "you're not going to fight the dragon you're literally 5 inches tall"

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The Voyage of the Dawn Treader

After that for many days, without wind in her shrouds or foam at her bows, across a waveless sea, the Dawn Treader glided smoothly east. Every day and every hour the light became more brilliant and still they could bear it.
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Susan Pevensie + Tropes

Ojou ringlets - An easy way to tell if a female character in Japanese media is of high social standing is not to look for the Requisite Royal Regalia, but to look at the front of her head. Specifically, look for two curled locks of hair draping the sides of her face. The rest of the hair may be straight, curly, or anything in-between, but she must have two curls from either the hair directly in front of or directly behind the ear, and falling in front of her shoulders rather than behind, if it is long enough. If she has these, she either is high class or acts like it.
Girlish pigtails - Also known as twin tails, handlebars, or bunches. A type of hairstyle where the hair is gathered into two “tails” on either side of the head. Usually, but not always, left loose; braided tails have a more Granola Girl or Tomboy connotation.
Expository Hairstyle Change - Sometimes when you have to show something important about a character, it’s not appropriate or wise to wheel out the Mr. Exposition and explain what’s going on, and in general the easiest way to do this in visual media is to change the appearance of a character, specifically, their hairstyle, since this can be done cheaply in live-action through the use of wigs or other non-permanent alterations and can be undone just as easily.
Tomboy & Girly Girl -  When the main characters in a show are both females, or if there are only Two Girls to a Team, it almost always leads to a case of this trope. The “Girly Girl” will highly care about her appearance, pursue “girly” interests, and is often (though not always) The Chick. The “Tomboy”, who is often The Big Girl, will be into sports, mechanics, house and/or building construction and/or renovation, or the like
Brainy Brunette - Stereotypically speaking, in fiction, blondes are lacking in intelligence, redheads have short tempers, so, out of the trio, brunettes are all brain.
The Smart Girl - This is the one on The Team that uses their head. As the intelligent one, they come in when the team needs deep analysis, clever tactics, or there’s highly technical work to be done.
Girly Girl with a Tomboy Streak - This is a Girly Girl who has some tomboyish qualities or interests. She could have an interest in boys sports, hate the color pink or love boyish colors, not mind getting messy, be a Big Eater, or hate dresses and wear baggy pants.
In-Series Nickname - An In-Series Nickname is not a Fan Nickname, although it can frequently be used as such. Instead, it is a nickname specifically given in-series, not even by the producers alone. It is always regarded as canon.
Book Dumb - Many main characters in children’s shows (and in adult’s shows featuring children) are explicitly shown as doing very badly in school, despite showing themselves to be of at least average intelligence in most other areas of life. This isn’t inconsistency on the part of the writers, though. The kid is just Book Dumb.
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And when, after some consultation, the Dawn Treader turned back into the current and began to glide eastward through the Lily Lake or the Silver Sea (they tried both these names but it was the Silver Sea that stuck and is now on Caspian’s map) the strangest part of their travels began. Very soon the open sea which they were leaving was only a thin rim of blue on the western horizon. Whiteness, shot through with faintest color of gold, spread round them on every side […] There seemed no end to the lilies. Day after day from all those miles and leagues of flowers there rose a smell which Lucy found it very hard to describe; sweet — yes, but not at all sleepy or overpowering, a fresh, wild, lonely smell that seemed to get into your brain and make you feel that you could go up mountains at a run or wrestle with an elephant. She and Caspian said to one another, “I feel that I can’t stand much more of this, yet I don’t want it to stop.”

The Dream app is just perfect for capturing the strange, impressionistic quality of Narnia’s most memorable setting.

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Reepicheep appreciation post:

“Why should your majesty think it? My own plans are made. While I may, I sail East in Dawn Treader. When she fails me, I row East in my coracle. When that sinks, shall I paddle East with my four paws. Then, when I can swim no longer, if I have not yet reached Aslan’s Country, there shall I sink with my nose to the sunrise… and Peepiceek will be head of Talking Mice in Narnia” 
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narnia has actually way too many completely devastating concepts in it that are not explored At All

We talk a lot about how in The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe, the Pevensie children live full adult lives as kings and queens of narnia before stumbling out of the wardrobe by accident and being children again after like 15+ years. But I’ve never seen the same level of analysis devoted to how in Prince Caspian they return to Narnia and discover that over 1,000 years have passed in Narnia since their last visit.

Imagine undergoing the grief of losing an entire life you lived in another world, being forced back into the body of a child and to grow up all over again without the ability to even talk about what happened in the decades you lost. Every person you knew and loved, vanished, leaving no indication they were ever real and no guide for how to move on.

But returning to that world where you were a King or Queen and discovering that centuries have passed without you and that the people you lost are not only dead, but mostly aren’t even remembered? That’s almost worse.

That series is really something for “worldbuilding threads picked up and never touched again” too like

  • in the silver chair it’s confirmed that deep underneath the earth in narnia there’s a molten, fiery abyss world called Bism that is apparently populated and also apparently gemstones are living creatures that live there, and what we understand as diamonds, emeralds, rubies etc. are just the discarded husks of once living creatures
  • Jadis is actually not originally from Narnia, but accidentally gets sent there at its creation (making her one of the oldest beings in narnia) and she annihilated all life in her world of origin. she also very much does go to literal actual London and terrorize people. she is like 7 feet tall and can tear iron with her bare hands like it’s taffy.
  • Jadis makes it “Always winter and never Christmas”…what the FUCK is her beef with Father Christmas. I know it’s supposed to be like a metaphor or some shit but I’m imagining what exactly the fuck must have happened between them for jadis to specifically want to prevent him from coming to narnia to the extent that her powerful seasonal-change-stopping magic also includes a “fuck that guy in particular” clause.
  • like think about it, Jesus is not a thing in narnia, he’s just aslan. and aslan did not get born. ergo, the origin of such a concept as Christmas is the entity Father Christmas. Christmas is not a religious holiday to Narnians it has no symbolic meaning it is just specifically the time of year when Father Christmas fucks around across the landscape giving children gifts, such as very deadly real weapons. There’s no reason for him to do this. It’s just what he does. And Jadis fucking hates it.
  • another thing from the magicians nephew that is never brought up again is that Polly and Digory don’t go directly to Narnia, they end up in this intermediate place between the worlds that’s like a forest full of pools leading to other worlds, potentially infinite other worlds, and they end up in Narnia pretty much at random.
  • I think it’s also confirmed that Archenlanders were originally from Earth, and are the descendants of a small group of people who traveled to Narnia by accident and got stuck. One wonders why Aslan didn’t whisk them back out. Or why being too old wasn’t a problem for them.
  • I think this is early installment weirdness but there are Roman gods in narnia. ?????
  • stars are sentient???
  • narnia is flat. this is not actually an unresolved thread but I don’t think it’s common knowledge even though in one of the books they literally sail to the edge of the world. caspian specifically thinks it’s super cool that the earth is round

Polly and Digory don’t just go to Narnia (and Digory is specifically the reason why Jadis was there at all, and it’s his fault that this woman who is also an ancient evil was awoken): they are there when Aslan creates Narnia.

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  • all of the “humans” in narnia (human narnians, archenlanders, and probably calormenes) are descended from frank and helen, a cab driver and his wife who were accidentally dragged through the pools with digory and polly and jadis, and crowned the first king and queen of narnia by aslan at the creation
  • they’re not really that “human” probably because all frank and helen’s children married dryads and naiads and other humanoid magical creatures. this is fine.
  • where calormen came from is never specified in the books. in other writings lewis apparently said they split off from archenland. the reason they have a faux middle-eastern culture is never explained.

Putting on my Fandom Stickler hat for a moment because I love keeping track of lore:

It’s the Telmarines who descended from a group of people who came to Narnia by accident; Aslan explains this in the Prince Caspian book & movie. As @csevet said, we know that the Narnians and Archenlanders come from Frank and Helen. I can’t find a source for the out-of-book explanation of where the Calormenes come from, but it is explained in further detail on the Narnia wiki.

The “living gemstones” in Bism are implied to be “alive” in the way a fruit is alive while it’s still part of a plant, not necessarily “alive” in the way animals are. Here’s the quote:

“Down in Bism we have [gems] alive and growing. There I’ll pick you bunches of rubies that you can eat and squeeze you a cupful of diamond juice” (The Silver Chair, chapter 14).

PS, the stars being sentient probably refers to angels sometimes being represented as stars in Christianity. (I do not know if this also occurs in other Abrahamic religions)

absolutely epic take @radiantsouth

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Who wants some good, old-fashioned Edmund Pevensie emotions?

Here’s a quote from The Voyage of the Dawn Treader, from their conversation with Ramandu’s Daughter:

‘Edmund, who had been looking more and more uncomfortable for the last few minutes, now spoke. 
“Look here,” he said, “I hope I’m not a coward - about eating this food, I mean - and I’m sure I don’t mean to be rude. But we’ve had a lot of queer adventures on this voyage of ours and thinks aren’t always what they seem. When I look in your face I can’t help believing all you say: but then that’s just what might happen with a witch, too. How are we to know that you’re a friend?”‘

Do you see the clear parallels he draws there? It’s not about the adventures he’s had on this voyage. It’s about the White Witch. Here he is, about 12 years old, and having lived 17 years since then, but he meets this beautiful lady who offers them a meal, and he doesn’t trust her. He wants to. And he even tries to be polite when he questions her. But he can’t trust her, because it’s “just what might happen with a witch, too,” and he knows this from experience.

Edmund was haunted. Forgiven, sure, but terrified of making the same mistake again. Can you imagine those years in Narnia during the Golden Age? He would be so slow to trust. He’d been taken in before, and he was wary of being taken in again. And of course, it’s good to be cautious. I doubt Edmund the Just would fall for such a similar trick if anyone attempted it. But imagine how hard it was to get to know him,too. Not simply because he was “broken” or “ashamed” or something, but because he never knew who meant him well or who meant him harm. He’d believed the Witch when she said she’d take care of him. He wouldn’t believe it easily again.

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“A dragon has just flown over the tree-tops and lighted on the beach. Yes, I am afraid it is between us and the ship. And arrows are no use against dragons. And they're not at all afraid of fire."

"With your Majesty's leave-" began Reepicheep.

"No, Reepicheep," said the King very firmly, "you are not to attempt a single combat with it.”

- The Voyage of the Dawn Treader

i love that their conversation is basically just "i'm gonna fight the dragon" "you're not going to fight the dragon you're literally 5 inches tall"

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