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Anonymous asked:

Did you know that the person who initially tweeted the Deuxmoi "leak" deleted it, locked their account, then posted an apology and retraction statement with a legal disclaimer? I find that very interesting. A threat of legal action perhaps?

Parts of this are a pretty upsetting read so if you don’t want to read about harassment keep on scrolling please.

So I had to look into this because I didn’t know the original tweeter. And anon is right they did in fact say this on their twitter account and then go private.

And the reason they had to all this was because of the MASSIVE amount of harassment they got. I feel so terrible for this twitter user for having to protect their tweets just to stop it.

Flat out, in most countries someone retweeting or sharing content is not considered defemation unless you created the content yourself. In the US at least, retweets will not get the user in trouble for defamation.

But yeah I’d actually like to talk about some of the horrific things I saw when going on twitter about this user. There were so many people harassing them in the comments and retweets and acting like they personally were trying to take down Henry Cavill. And then when the user said they had to take a break for their mental health people KEPT on going.

And many of the users commenting were exactly the type of people I have been talking about in the witcher fandom

This user had a LOT to say and multiple comments all about how terrible OP was and how they deserved the hate. And of course you go to their twitter and:

They are a conservative transphobe

Another user who was really going after OP and had many many tweets about it:

Well, guess what, they also have opinions that are just so ✨ fun ✨

And who could forget this person being misogynistic af under the guise of “protecting Henry”

And on this post I said to be careful about how you talk about Cavill leaving the show and to be aware of the people you keep community with.

And this is a perfect example.

What OP did is share a rumor. No different than all the people on tumblr who shared rumors of Cavill leaving because of the writing or because of Hissrich.

The key difference is the particular rumor about Cavill acting poorly on set is one that paints HCav in a poor light which the others did not.

This has resulted in a truly wild amount of racism and misogyny. I said it here before but I’ll say it again: defending Cavill by attacking women is not the move you think it is.

The newest rumor is just like any other rumor. It’s what happens in Hollywood people speculate and people guess. There’s so much behind the scenes drama people want to know more. That does not mean anyone should be harassed off a website and worried about legal action due to comments from people who are transphobic, misogynistic and racist.

At the end of the day, no matter the reason Cavill left, there is no reason to harass someone like this.

So yes anon, I know you sent me this with the intention of a “gotcha” moment where I would admit that I was a terrible person for also sharing this same rumor and I would retract it all and join OP in apologizing.

Instead I’ll again say that harassment is never okay, OP didn’t deserve to feel unsafe because of terrible people online, and the way that Cavill stans are reacting so aggressively and rude to this newest rumor of his poor behavior on set just shows that many people need to learn how to behave themselves.

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This was under the new Blood Origins Witchmas tweet and I cannot stress this enough I don’t give a fuck if you love Cavill or hate him or what set of rumors you have confirmation bias towards and which u believe or disagree with but please for the love of all that is holy don’t be like this guy 💀

The unhinged stan behavior I have seen on everything platform but twitter and reddit especially is just too much. Tell me why the comment section of every single Blood Origins post is filled with “bring back Henry” or “this won’t be anything like the books/games”

Like y’all. Not only is Blood Origins entirely a new thing that isn’t an adaption so it doesn’t make sense to try and say it’s not like the books because uh yeah. It’s not even set in the same time period. But Cavill isn’t even remotely involved and people seem to think he is? Or something? I’m pumped to see what Netflix’s take on original Witcher stuff is just like the games were a original concept from the books. It’s cool to see the universe expand.

But yeah. Don’t be these people. Please. Oh also that Bounding into Comics person is just a blatant racist and misogynist you can read this story for proof of that where he says that Kelly Marie Tran and John Boyega never received racial harassment for their roles in Star Wars. Or here where they are complaining about casting Annabeth as a black girl in the Percy Jackson series.

It’s just so funny how once you start digging many of the sources and people trying to say there’s a smear campaign against Cavill end up being aggressively racist and misogynistic themselves (which yeah. There isn’t a smear campaign. People are just talking about a rumor from a gossip rag and a smear campaign is def more than that 💀)

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Anonymous asked:

Abt the racism over the show: personally I have a huge belief that it has to do with the games, too. A lot of people use the whole "accuracy to the books" shtick but most of the fans complaining are actually fans from the games & there are, like, NO PoC in the games. Mix that in with a fantasy where you can be a typically masculine guy going around fighting things & sleeping w tons of women, and you now have a series catering to a specific type of young male gamer. Keep in mind (cont)

Okay, so I actually have been thinking about this for a long time.

Now mind you, when I talk about the games and gamer fans rn I'm not talking about a lot of the "fandom" games content because most of it is really disconnected from the actual games and is really more strongly built out of fandom characterization and headcanons. Which is honestly super cool and it's a interesting subsection of the fandom but that's to talk about or get asked another time.

I agree with most everything you've said here (although I will say the show is very different from the books in many ways -- and there are critiques to be had but seemingly the loudest and most popular people all tie them back to race -- also on tumblr microagressions and exclusion is more popular than the blatant racism seen on other platforms). I also want to add it’s well-known there’s ties to white supremacy circles of TW3 fans. More on that here

The Show needs to stop trying to be like the Games and focus on the themes of the Books

Long discussion below

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I love The Witcher, and I love so many people in this fandom who make amazing content but it is just so sad to be a Witcher fan. I’ve been in many fandoms but I have yet to see anyone that has this much blatant racism everywhere I turn.

I just wanted to be excited about this cute tweet where Anya Chalotra is holding a water bottle

But of course you go the replies and you see racist and just plain deeply insulting things

And before you say “oh that person is just talking about book accuracy” they are actually using that as a dog whistle because they just want an excuse to be racist as fuck.

Which btw, as a massive fan of the books, it’s such a shame to see “book accurate” turned into a racist dog whistle, particularly on Reddit and Twitter. Just look at some of the replies under the new casting announcement RI released today.

You have ur blatant racists

Then you have ur “Slavic Erasure” crew who use that as an excuse to be racist

Which is closely related to the “book accuracy” crew of racists

And of course we can’t forget the people who try to say the reason Sapko supports the show and says color of the characters doesn’t matter is because he was bought out

And I love the few people in the replies trying to combat this, and I love how almost all the quote tweets are super positive but holy fuck is it exhausting to not be able to even celebrate the casting of a character.

I often feel like I can’t enjoy the show at all without getting dog piled in some way. And it’s not that I think the show doesn’t deserve criticism, but it’s more like sometimes I just want to enjoy friends without having to dissect every tiny intricacy. I just want to make a nice meme about Yennefer being dorky or Fringilla being flustered around Francesca without having to make some sort of disclaimer about how I hate X part of season 2 or I thing Y is inaccurate to the books.

I feel like many people are so pedantic that they’re finding more enjoyment in complaining about the media than the media itself. and I’ve done a fairly good job of trying to block it out but it’s just difficult when you have to really put the work in to try to avoid constant negativity.

I will say this, Tumblr is definitely the best place that I have found. Reddit and Twitter are practically unusable at times. 

I don’t know what makes the Witcher different than other fandoms that the racism is so consistent, blatant, and common. More so than most places. But it’s just sad.

Sometimes, I just want to enjoy a show I love, talk about my favorite characters (if u know me u know who that is), and feel like there’s an actual fan community.

But it’s just. Hard. And I’m tired. And I know others are tired too and I just don’t know what to do to combat widespread racism of this magnitude.

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on the first kill cancellation and what it tells us about representation in media

the most heartbreaking part about the first kill cancellation is that it’s an evidence of this trend in audiovisual media big corporations to profit over claims about representation, all while delivering the most sanitized and harmless to the consumption by the cis het , white, able-bodied etc people form of representation they could possibly offer.

because, that’s the thing, back in 2016, when lexa from the 100 and plenty other lesbian and queer characters in general were killed off of shows and it sparked a whole conversation over the "bury your gays" trope, our biggest hope was that having more people from marginalized groups making the decisions in the writers’ room and as showrunners would result in better representation for us.

and, the thing is that, while lots of people were concearned about shaming the show for having CGI problems – problems that are perfectly explained by the very low-budget the show got from netflix --, the truth is that first kill actually achieved a lot in the “representation on behind-the-scenes” front.

the author of the short story it’s based on, victoria “v.e.” schwab, is queer, identifying as gay and using she/they pronouns, and also signed as showrunner, inspite having an adviser role. Not only that, but victoria declared in interviews and even penned an article talking about how they wrote the short story and the pilot for the show in an attempt of giving to the new generations the representation she needed as a teen and longed for when she watched sci-fi/fantasy shows like buffy the vampire slayer.

the “the facto” shworunner, felicia d. henderson, is not queer, she is a cis het woman, but, she is still a dark-skinned black woman with a long and successful resumé in the show biz, with classic shows hailed by the african american community like fresh prince of bel-air and moesha under her belt, and who also worked for DC in their comics’ division (yeah, THE DC Comics) and worked on marvel’s the punisher, in other words, one of the best people you could possibly ask for to work on a sci-fi/fantasy show in which a huge part of the main cast is comprised by black people – actually, to work on sci-fi/fantasy shows in general.

both felicia and victoria have mentioned plenty of times on social media, interviews and so on about how diverse the writer’s room was.

not only that, but they also talked about how there was representation on the production crew as well . people on the camera crew, make-up crew, wardrobe crew, the cinematography crew etc, were all comprised by black people and queer people , an information that was also shared with pride and enthusiams by the leading actresses sarah catherine hook and imani lewis on their interviews.

so, the representation on FK wasn’t just on the characters on screen, it was on the entire production chain.

and, yet, it wasn’t enough for preventing us from losing the representation, because the show got cancelled.

this is not to say that we should give up on trying to get more people from marginalized groups working on behind-the-scenes or anything like that, especially because, I things are hard enough when we try to occupy these spaces, if we stop fighting for space, then that’s when things will not getter better AT. ALL.

but we should definetely stop to think about what do we mean when we say we want more representation and what kind of content we praise or not.

back in 2018, under the release of love simon on movie theatres, buzzfeed news published an article written by contributor john sherman titled “Popular Gay Media Is Still Focusing On Straight Acceptance, Rather Than Celebrating Queer Difference”, inspired mostly by the new york times article by queer and non-binary activist, writer, producer, television host and actor jacob tobia, “Does Gay Hollywood Have Room for Queer Kids?”,  and both articles pointed out how the movie’s entire narrative was structured around the Idea that simon was just like another guy, except that he was gay and reinforces the discourse that it’s ok to be gay, as long as you’re “not TOO gay”, especially considering the way the narrative uses feminine, gender non-conforming, flamboyant and campy gay ethan as a prop for masculine, straight-passing gay simon’s story, using the bullying ethan goes thru the entirety of the movie as an excuse for simon to not come out all while never really having simon acknowledging how he was embarassed by ethan because he was struggling with his own internalized homophobia.

four years later, and these articles are actually more relevant than ever.

because here is the thing: the discourse revolving around the need for more “wholesome” queer representation, while completely valid when it comes to defend the production of more LGBT+ content aimed at children and pre-teens, oftenly gets mixed up on the internet with very conservative opinions about LGBT+ sexuality, gender expression and lifestyle choices.

that is what is problematic about the heartstopper vs first kill debate, that started really as soon as the first teaser trailers for FK were released and people begin to make assumptions about how FK was gonna sexualize women and cater to the male gaze, and now took another turn after the cancellation news when FK fans, lesbians in general, BIPOC in general and so on started to point out Netflix’s and the entertaiment industry’s double standards when it comes to the representation of the LGBT+ community, favoring cis White queer, able-bodied, slim, masculine men over all the other groups in the community .

It’s not that heartstopper is bad or awful or that it should have been cancelled like first kill was, that’s definetely not the point.

heartstopper as a franchise is actually far bolder than love simon ever could, with the comics talking about topics like bullying and mental illness, shining a light in some topics not so talked about in media like anorexia and body dysmorphia in young boys, storylines that the fans hope to see in the new seasons of the show .

on top of that, it did a great job at portraying Nick’s realisation about his bisexuality and ditching the “bisexuals are traitors and manipulative” trope by contrasting nick’s honesty about his sexual confusion and his loyalty to charlie to the toxic and abusive way Ben treated charlie during their secret relationship.

still, it is a show that is centered around two cis White boys and that has lesbians, trans people and people of color as side characters at most, being in the background of the cis white boys’s love story, like a book footnote.

and the thing is, most people don't care about the book footnotes.

tao and elle, the straight couple formed by a cis chinese british boy and a trans black girl of egyptian descent, is still on the background, not the fore front.

and while tao defying gender norms about cis het boys is a very welcome change, nick and charlie, the main characters, are still pretty much very masculine, straight-passing boys. also, the fact that, from all the boys, it is the asian guy who is the less traditionally masculine when we consider the way western culture desexualizes and mock asian men

yes, charlie is bullied by the school’s rugby athletes for not being masculine enough, but, in spite of being gay, he is not much different from the same old cis het nerdy white guy in coming of age movies  and indie movies, who is sensitive and listens to indie bands and is some sort of “cool loser”.

and nick nelson is still the very stereotype of the masculine jock, except that he is the “gentle brute" type.

it’s important to note that not only non-binary bisexuals do exist, but also that gender non-conforming cis bisexuals exist as well. there are bi guys with a gender expression that is affeminated, and also there are bi girls with a gender expression that is masculine.

when it comes to the  lesbian interracial couple, formed by masculine white girl darcy and more feminine, dark-skinned black girl tara, they are side characters in nick and charlie’s story like tao and elle, having a smaller role than taoelle.

i actually remember reading somewhere that one of the changes the show made from the comics was to actually give a bigger role to tara and darcy, with the storyline about how their school reacted when tara came out actually being exclusive to the show, which means that their roles were even smaller.

and while it’s true that these side characters are still more rounded than your typical side characters, they’re still, guess what? Side characters.

people like tara and darcy, tao and elle deserve to be the main characters in their own fictional stories too, much like they are the main characters in their stories in real life.

people like calliope and juliette deserve to be the main characters in their own fictional stories too.

especially in a genre like the sci-fi/fantasy one, that is beloved by queer people and people of color for its fantastical elements and adventures and themes that flirt with the weird, unusual and that these and marginalized groups in general find comfort in because the social outcasts relate to the weirdness of it all.

so, it’s very important that we have shows like first kill and main characters like juliette fairmont and calliope burns, out and proud lesbians who are comfortable in their sexuality and whose biggest conflict with their families is not about their queerness, but because one is a monster hunter and the other is a vampire; who never get to face homophobia; and get to be the main characters and kick butts on screen and be the heroes just like cis het white abled-bodied people, mostly cis het white abled-bodied guys, get to do.

all this talk is because we have to question what has been sold to us as diversity and inclusion.

because diversity and inclusion don’t involve people from marginalized groups forcing themselves to fit into the standards of the dominant groups just to be accepted and be treated with basic human decency.

Queer people shouldn’t have to repress their sexuality and gender expression to be accepted, much like autistic and neurodivergent people shouldn’t have to supress their quirks like stimming  or the way they react to sensory overload to be accepted, or like fat people shouldn’t have to lose weight, or indigenous people shouldn’t have to abandon their cultures to fit in, or like people with disabilities shouldn’t have to display some form of productivity to be accepted and so on.

We shouldn’t have to water ourselves down, it’s society that should create a safe space so we can live on it according to our experiences.

and that’s why the discourses revolving around normalcy are so tricky and can get problematic very easily, because while it was useful in the past, as the buzzfeed article points out, it also reinforces the Idea that there’s something naturally wrong with being different from what society says it’s the norm.

and we can see the wa ythis mindset is spreading around the internet, even amongst teens and twenty-somethings, as we can see by the whole discourse against the use of the word “queer”, even if it was historically reclaimed by the LGBT+ community.

or the way we can see people on tumblr spreading the "the kinky community shouldn't be at pride" discourse.

“queer” is precisely about celebrating the differences as they are what makes the experience of being yourself so unique, and it’s also precisely a reaction about the way the narrative about LGBT+ activism was historically centered around the experiences of cis het gay men and cis achilleans in general.

so, when we see society being more receptive towards the boys from heartstopper and not towards the girls from first kill, it doesn’t happen by accident, it's a part of an entire social structure.

the same goes for the topic about femininity and sexuality. traditional social conventions about sexuality basically censor and  shame woman and transfeminine people for having any interest in sex and , something that, combined with the conventions about queer desire and attraction being wrong or predatory, creates a scenario of intense sexual repression in ways that it doesn’t happen with cis white men -- except for, maybe, the disabled ones.

the way people reacted so negatively against the calliette make out scenes wasn’t an accident, it was part of this structure that shames female pleasure, interracial sex, lesbian sex and acts like girls and women are uncapable of enjoying sex, having sexual desire  and having any interest in the matter.

that’s the kind of nuance that usually escapes from conversations about fetishization of women: it’s not that we are uncapable of sexual desire, it’s just that most of the narratives put us in a position of objetcs instead of agents. that’s what the male gaze is about, taking our agency and input on the matter from us to cater to cis het men’s fantasies of power.

and male gaze is not what happened in first kill, a show in which felicia, the showrunner, made sure to ask for the lesbians and sapphics on set for their advice and input over the calliette scenes to make sure the final product were true to the lesbian and sapphic experience rather than the assumptions of a cis het woman about the lesbian and sapphic experience. not only that, the show hired an intimacy coordinator, named dr. tiff, that, if I’m not wrong, is a queer woman as well, to help the actresses feel comfortable even with the smallest of touches, like a hand on a shoulder or a hug, and it was discussed amongst said intimacy coordinator, the directors, the showrunner and the actresses how to portray the scenes between calliope and juliette without sexualizing the teenagers too much, how to find a balance between showing the interest of non-asexual 16 year-old girls on sex and not oversexualising them . one can’t be further from the male gaze and fetishization as that.

still on the topic of sex, it’s not a coincidence that the general audiences were so receptive of heartstopper, because the show is almost devoid of sexual scenes.

of course, this isn’t a problem on itself, especially because it seems like the show is aiming not only at teenagers, but at children as well.

but it gets problematic when people begin to defend that all types of LGBT+ media representation should adhere to these standards even if they’re not aiming at children and pre-teens as their target audiences.

especially because it’s not just lesbians and sapphics, or just trans people in general, who are shamed and have their sexuality treated as inherently wrong and predatory, it happens with cis gays and achilleans as well.

again, and I can’t emphasize this enough, there is nothing wrong with heartstopper.

there’s nothing wrong with LGBT+ media that is fluffy, family-friendly and PG-rated.

the problem is that LGBT+ fiction, and fiction about marginalized groups in general, shouldn’t have to be forced to adhere to the fluffy, family-friendly, PG standards to have a space in media and not get cancelled by networks and streaming services; and that media companies are imposing these conditions for LGBT+ content because they know these standards are seen as harmless by the cis het white audiences, and, therefore, these media companies are profiting over a serious cause like that of diversity and representation all while continuing to treat the cis het, white, abled-bodied, skinny etc audience as the only valuable one.

this is not about fandom wars, and some people are right when they say that there is space for all types of queer shows, for shows like heartstopper and for shows like first kill alike.

the important question here is why is it that we from marginalized groups are forced to adhere to all these respectability politics to be accepted when cis het, white, abled-bodied, skinny etc  people aren’t.

don’t know whether first kill can be saved by another network like it happened with one day at a time, or what the future holds, but, that is the important question that we all should take from this mess.

and, most of all, we got to remember that we can and deserve to have so much better than what companies are delivering to us, and we don’t have to settle for less, in pop culture and in any other area of society.

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Anonymous asked:

"criticism of the show is a dog whistle for white supremacy" is such a terminally online take. what the fuck is wrong with you? call out actual fucking racism, like fucking icepe who still gets reblogged around the fandom, like hissrich who was happy to entertain alt right commentators, like the bigots on twitter, not "you don't like what I like so you must be racist", all you're doing is destroying the fandom and creating a smaller pool of people to fight this shit. grow up and go touch grass

Hey bestie maybe don’t take a small part of a sentence out of context of a very serious issue huh?

Here’s the full sentence:

In fact go read the whole ask here!!

I was saying that being upset about “character choices” when it comes to casting can be a white supremacist dog whistle. Because there’s entire forums on Reddit and petitions dedicated to how casting people of color in the Witcher is a bastardization of the core of the show. And guess what! That’s white supremacy in action!

I was in no way talking about overall criticism of the show. In fact I criticize the show myself regularly!!

And I’ve also talked about both Hissrich and Icepe before too! Feel free to look around by blog for all that and more.

It’s interesting however that you would try and portray my response this way. Maybe you are exposing something about yourself here…

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Anonymous asked:

personally i love having three completely different witcher medias to go to. i can take my favourite parts from each, whether it be characteristics, storylines, looks, descriptions. and i can enjoy the characters in my own fun way. people who obsess over the small details are boring, and people who use it to be racist/sexist/generally shitty simply have empty space between their ears.

it’s dumb how details can be looked over by people in the game as long as the characters stay white

Say that last sentence 1 million times over and you have figured out almost the entirety of the Reddit fan base.

But it’s honestly getting to a point where criticizing the Witcher show has almost become a dog whistle in certain white supremacist circles.

You identify yourself as someone who hates the show because of the “character choices” and that’s kind of this signal for racism. And that’s really scary because it means that real and genuine critiques now have a very strong possibility of getting you accidentally sent into white supremacy circles.

So I’m honestly going to recommend be really goddamn careful who you talk to when you are criticizing the show because it seems like there are more and more racists popping out of the woodwork every time a new cast member is announced that is a woman of color. Be very careful around anyone who tries to say that a character doesn’t look right for the role because that just might be a dog whistle you are not aware of.

I think what’s wild is that I am a huge fan of the show and books and I enjoy the games and none of them seem completely incompatible with each other.

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So as the Witcher fandom does within fucking seconds people are being racist shit heads under the guise of “book accuracy” so as always go show the new actors some love and continue to support diversity in The Witcher!

Let’s show these shitheads that actually diversity in fantasy is pretty fucking awesome.

It’s happening again :(

So two lovely actresses have been cast for S3

Rochelle Rose for Margarita Laux-Antille

And Safiyya Ingar for Keira Metz

Already under Redanian Intelligence’s tweet there is racial harassment occurring

I would like to ask people to go to the tweet, and if you have an account leave a nice positive comment about being excited for the casting, saying the actresses are great picks, etc. One of the things we can do is try and drown out the hate with appreciation for more amazing woc joining the cast!!

Tweet is here

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Rick Riordan just released a Statement on the casting of Leah Jeffries, a black actress, as Annabeth Chase, a character traditionally scene as a blond white girl. I recommend reading the full statement here.

A few parts really stood out to me, this first part where Rick Riordan is making it clear these are not only his thoughts but also that Disney has yet to release a statement (they fucking should!!)

First, let me be clear I am speaking here only for myself. These thoughts are mine alone. They do not necessarily reflect or represent the opinions of any part of Disney, the TV show, the production team, or the Jeffries family.

This next part is so true because I feel like conspiracy theorists always try and claim some big bad is forcing their ✨ fav ✨ creator to support diversity.

You have decided that I couldn’t possibly mean what I have always said: That the true nature of the character lies in their personality. You feel I must have been coerced, brainwashed, bribed, threatened, whatever, or I as a white male author never would have chosen a Black actor for the part of this canonically white girl.

This part near the end to me really hit home because it’s talking about how you can’t even genuinely engage with the media you are claiming to protect if you are a racist dick towards the casting.

The core message of Percy Jackson has always been that difference is strength. There is power in plurality. The things that distinguish us from one another are often our marks of individual greatness. You should never judge someone by how well they fit your preconceived notions. That neurodivergent kid who has failed out of six schools, for instance, may well be the son of Poseidon. Anyone can be a hero.
If you don’t get that, if you’re still upset about the casting of this marvelous trio, then it doesn’t matter how many times you have read the books. You didn’t learn anything from them.

This is the bare minimum standard that creators of a piece of media should be setting in regards to standing up against the blatant racism that actors of color face, particularly when cast in roles people perceive as white.

We see across the board that anytime an actor of color, but in particular black female actresses, are cast in a role that is traditionally white there is massive backlash and racism. We saw this with Zendaya as MJ in Spider-Man, Anna Diop as Starfire, Halle Bailey as Ariel, and even with Catwoman despite 3 black women - Halle Berry, Eartha Kitt, and Zoë Kravitz having played her over the years. The Witcher fandom got a sampling of this too with the casting for Mistle with Christelle Elwin.

Racism in fandom will always exist. It’s important for creators to stand against it. And it’s important for fans to stand against it. Boost up creators and characters of color and drown out the hatred. It takes collective action to make fandom a safe space but together we can do it.

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Anonymous asked:

You talk about fandom racism but you never use your platform to talk about the real issues that matter. Why do you keep talking about things like racism in casting but you haven’t reblogged a single thing about Roe v Wade

1) people need to stop using racism in fandom as a “gotcha” I reblog things and discuss it because it’s an area where I can make actionable change by talking about it on tumblr and we have seen real impacts of the discussions people have had

2) I use this account to talk about Witcher things 90% of the time. It’s a fandom blog for fandom content.

3) on that note, I don’t share what I do IRL or what my IRL activism and lifestyle looks like. I don’t owe anyone on here that and I’ve seen this sentiment of “why aren’t you talking about X” multiple times and it is quite frankly ridiculous

In summary:

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Netflix's diverse cast means nothing when the showrunner is happy to behave like she did when challenged by far right commentators. Her allyship is performative when she ignores and lectures voices telling her to disengage. TWN is cheap western fantasy without any of the passion of the books and a huge disappointment to me. I am hoping rings of power delivers on the good story that boost their diverse cast, like Netflix promised.

I just had kind of a revelation this morning and it put together a lot of things so I’m just gonna answer this ask.

So first. Hating a show because one show runner ran her mouth on twitter is quite frankly stupid because The Witcher flat out has done more work for diversity in fantasy than any other fucking show I can think that came out before it. And there are so many people on the cast and crew who are people of color and actively advocate for themselves and write the stories.

Secondly, Lauren Hissrich fucked up. She engages with criticism too much on twitter and she engaged with The Quartering who is a very popular gamer but is also a white supremacist. And you know what? She apologized. And hasn’t been on twitter since. That’s right. She learned her actions have consequences and is trying to do better. The opposite of performative. So yeah. I’m not going to throw out the diversity of an entire cast and crew of people working extremely hard just because of one woman’s mistake on twitter.

But to continue.

People search out reasons to hate the show in increasingly creative ways. And one of the new ones that is extremely popular right now is by saying that the show is racist and the show’s diversity doesn’t mean anything. 

But last year, when a lot of POC in fandom started talking about how they felt excluded because of racism present in the fandom there were a lot of people really pushed this “fandom is escapism” mentality. And they said that people should be able to do whatever they want and racism doesn’t factor into why they ignore canon characters of color.

But I haven’t seen people say this since Season 2 came out.

Largely what I’ve seen is people trying to say that enjoying the characters of color in the show is racist because they are written in a stereotypical/problematic way. And that even if you want to change the problems in canon and make them better in fanon you are still problematic because you support this horrible racist show. And if it’s not a problematic thing about the creator. And other types of thought processes like this.

It’s almost like people have given up trying to defend against racist/misogynistic behavior and are instead trying to hunt down and call it out in other people. Even literal white supremacists are using this model, calling out Netflix Witcher for poor rep and then saying casting an asian woman is a horrible thing to do in the first place. 

but what I think a lot of people don’t understand is that the reason you push for diversity in fandom is so that diversity will matter outside of that.

Ignoring and hating characters like Netflix Triss in FANDOM directly lead to the show Whitewashing the character due to FAN complaints. It is very important to understand the impact that canon diversity has and that fans should support it.

It’s not about shipwars or headcannons or hating a particular character. It’s not about how the bastardized a particular scene or changed a plotline. Because that’s been happening in media FORVER. The Witcher didn’t invent changing the original text to fit the screen and they certainly won’t be the last.

Talking about racism and fandom is about supporting diversity is about creating a safe space. And I don’t think a lot of people seemingly understand that.

They think of it like a revenge model. When in actuality, for me at least, I am passionate about diversity and equity in fandom because I think that’s what fandom’s heart is.

This is none more present than in how people have reacted to Mistle’s casting. The misgynoir has never been more clear. 

There is not a single book without graphic Sexual assault described in it. It is ever present and you can’t fucking escape it. But the show is clearly different. In fact, Screenrant wrote a whole article about how the show change even Nivellen’s story to be more condemning of SA.

And in the books, Duny, Triss, Vilgefortz, Bonhart, Jaskier, Mistle, and Auberon all commit some form of SA and harassment. but no one ever said that the show was evil for casting a brown man as Vilgefortz. Or condemned the show for not writing Jaskier as a misogynist.

But suddenly once a black woman is cast as Mistle people are so goddamn excited to hate the show for this. People get upset because it’s not “book accurate” if you say you don’t want Mistle to SA Ciri because you are tired of women getting fucking raped and it’s not important to the plot. No one said this about Nivellen in S2. No one said this about Duny or Vilgefortz when they were cast.

Ciri is undeniably queer. And her relationship with Mistle spans 3 out of the 5 books. The relationship is essential to her character. Ciri being assaulted. Is not. The same thing could be accomplished with simple Stockholm syndrome. SA is not required and it’s almost weird to see people act like they want to see a black woman SA Ciri just so they can hate the show all the more.

So yeah. I’ve been holding these thoughts in for awhile but I figured I would share them.

This fucking sucks too because people shitting on every new thing to come out of the show ruins the people who enjoy it. Who see themselves represented in it. Who want to enjoy themselves but can’t because of hateful fuckers.

As a friend said:

if the show does it the show is bad (and you're horrible). if the show doesn't do it the show is bad (and you have bad taste).

This got insanely long but I’ve been thinking about this for a long time and had to share it. Reflect and learn. I know I fucking try to. A big one was a discussion that helped me see why people see Triss as SAing Geralt in the books.

Under the cut you’ll find a list of trigger warnings for each book. Just I’m case you want to dive into them. Don’t want anyone to be shocked by how much more graphically violent they are than the show lol.

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Anonymous asked:

Maybe it's just me but I'm really side-eyeing casting a black person as Mistle because of the whole SA stuff. TWN has already a pretty poor track record of casting poc as side characters or whitewashing them (or the black family being brutally murdered in NoTW). I don't mind poc being cast, however I do mind when they mistreat them or give them very questionable roles that aren't given to white actors. I dunno, the way *most* poc have been treated in this show so far doesn't sit right with me.

So far, the Witcher has one of the largest amounts of diversity I’ve ever seen in a fantasy show. And while there are definitely mistakes they actually have characters of color which is genuinely not true for any other part of the franchise. So we must continue to call out the mistakes that the show makes but also be willing to support that diversity and encourage it because they are trying to do better and they are trying to include more and more characters of color into the universe. This is the first Genderfluid actor that is cast explicitly as a love interest I have ever seen in fantasy. That’s a big fucking deal. It breaks my heart that under the casting announcement for this actor, who has this is one of their breakout roles by the way, you see nothing but racism and hate comments. I think that some sense of positivity here should be fucking warranted to combat the absolutely massive amount of hate. 

Considering the fact that they have left out any graphic sexual assault in the show I doubt this would be the point where they decide to include it. The show has made a lot of changes to the books and one area where I think they’ve created a definite improvement is around the treatment of female characters. Specifically they have graphic assault we saw present in the books which I really appreciate because I am very tired of seeing women raped in fantasy.

I will say this. With the casting of Mistle as a black woman if they choose to have her sexually assault Ciri on screen that is my fucking line with the show. I actually will drop it because it that is a choice that I simply cannot except. But based on the trajectory of the show has seen I doubt very much that they are going to do this and I really hope that the assault scene will not happen. Mostly because it is entirely unnecessary to Ciri’s character development and really fucking homophobic.

But the other thing is that unless they speed up the timeline a lot I doubt we will see Mistle until the very end of the season and even then we might not even see her interact with Cir much. So we could be a very long time before we find out what the relationship looks like and I don’t want to see people shitting on this actor that entire time for something we don’t even know will happen. 

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Anonymous asked:

While Jewish people I’m sure have a variety of opinions on the subject (as usual), I think it’s important to mention that at least some of us do not agree with your perspective that every comparison of the experience of Jews and Witchers is automatically antisemitic. If the “Witchers were at fault for their persecution” idea is part of it, then sure. But… the majority of headcanons I’ve seen aren’t about this at all? Personally it bothers me a lot more to see the blood libel being brought up every time someone mentions Jewish history of persecution (we can blame NotW for that bit of bullshit, I guess).

In relation to this post

In my opinion, there’s a distinct difference between "I, a Jewish person, relate to these things about Witchers and their experiences" and "In canon Witchers are an allegory for Jewish people"

The first statement is completely fine. In fact, I have a very extensive modern AU I’ve come up with a close friend where Geralt and his family are all Jewish. Most of that AU is built out of my own experiences.

The second phrase. "In canon Witchers are an allegory for Jewish people" has a lot of distinct antisemitic undertones to me that I cannot ignore and directly ties back to blood libel. Yes is it upsetting to see Blood Libel brought up whenever persecution of Jews is brought up. But I discussed it because believing in Blood Libel was the main reason for a lot of people’s persecution especially in relation to Pogroms. If you read the link on Blood Libel from the Holocaust Encyclopedia it directly discusses that fact.

Blood libel accusations often led to pogroms, violent riots launched against Jews and frequently encouraged by government authorities.

Basically antisemites would throw around accusations of Blood Libel as a reason why Jews should be killed. Then Jews were killed. If in canon Witchers were ever written as an allegory for Jewish people then it is basically stating that Jewish accusations of Blood Libel are true. That just as people believed Jews stole Christian children and used their blood for rituals Witchers also steal children and use them in rituals. It creates a level of justification for antisemitism and pogroms.

Therefore it has antisemitic undertones to assume that Witchers were meant to be an allegory for Jewish people.

Also to be very clear. I was exclusively talking about canon comparison. The original ask said:

And everything about what I answered was why they are not an allegory and assuming that is antisemitic.

So that’s great that the majority of headcanons you’ve seen aren’t like that because that’s genuinely not what I was talking about. I also never said that every comparison was antisemitic either. Just canon comparisons where we assume that Witcher are meant to be an allegory for Jews.

Like I said I actually have lots of headcanons where Geralt is Jewish.

What I am talking about is not headcanons, AUs, fanart, or what have you.

I am talking about canon and why we should not assume that Witchers were meant to be an allegory for Jewish people. Especially in the show when the intended Jewish allegory is the Elves.

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Anonymous asked:

Witcher actually do face racism in the Witcher they are supposed to be an allegory for Jewish people (more in the books than the show)

Bestie if ur that upset Jaskier wrote a banger just say so

But anyways….on a slightly serious note here I hate when people compare Witchers to Jews because it falls into a lot of antisemitic stereotypes. And specifically one of the creators behind Nightmare of the Wolf is guilty of this. Because Pogrom is a term very specific to targeting Jews.

In the books a Pogrom is never used to refer to Witchers, only non-humans like Dwarves and Elves. The Sacking of Kaer Morhen is that. A sacking.

Comparing Witchers to Jews like that reminds me of the antisemitic Blood Libel trope. Basically Blood Libel is the trope of Jews kidnapping good Christian children and using their blood in rituals and possibly killing them.

And when you call the sacking off Kaer Morhen a pogrom you are mostly directly comparing Witchers to Jews and feed into the Blood Libel Trope. Because Witchers take children, force them into rituals and change them. Just like how the blood libel stereotype had Jews doing the same to Christian children. So by comparing them you are saying the Blood Libel trope is true. That Jews deserved the Pogroms.

And Jewish people are a race of people. An ethnoreligion. You can’t transform from a human to a Jew like you transform from a human to a Witcher. You are born Jewish or go through the lengthy and in-depth process of conversion. You aren’t born a Witcher. Comparing an ethnoreligion to fantasy super soldiers further reinforces the outsider and sub-human Jewish narrative. And if anyone here is about to compare Jewish conversion to the Trials I will come for your ass.

Anyways in the show AND books they clearly do NOT make Witchers a metaphor for Jews. The only media that has ever even vaguely done this is Nightmare of the Wolf and it wasn’t even stated in the movie but by one of the creators on a random tweet. And like I said even when the comparison is made from an “official source” it’s a pretty antisemitic comparison we should avoid.

Especially in the show the Elves are clearly meant to be a Jewish metaphor with the Martin Niemöller-ish quote and the literal killing of the first born as the elves leave Xin’trea. It’s very obvious.

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Important

At this point a lot of us have probably seen posts about how The Witcher changed the hair texture of characters and how this constitutes whitewashing. Thanks to @some-stars and @realwitchertime for the posts linked above.

And the show runner, Lauren Hissrich, actually responded to this discussion.

The showrunner basically admitted that they changed the hair texture due to complaints. And you know what? Since Season 1 came out I have seen horrendous amounts of racism directed towards the characters but especially Triss. This post alone has many links talking about racism in this fandom.

And despite what many may think, it’s not just toxic gamer bros. It’s the artists who will draw all-show characters except game triss. It’s all the people who fought for their lives on this post to try and explain why Anna Schaffer’s hair was wrong for the role. It’s all the people who ignored complaints from fans of color and told them to “stop running their escapism” and “it’s okay to be silent”

Our fandom’s racism directly contributed to this issue. We directly caused this issue. So let’s take responsibility for it. Here are some ways we can try to make sure whitewashing like this doesn’t continue happening.

1) Tweet at the creators of the show and talk about the importance of textured hair in media. Talk about how you appreciated Triss’ hair in S1. The changes were made due to complaints. Do the opposite.

2) Keep demanding action. Hold the creators accountable and make sure they know that the whitewashing is not acceptable.

3) Make content of characters of color in the show. There are so many people who ignore the majority of characters of color or outright exclude them and simply by appreciating the diversity present it sends the message we want more. Let’s talk about how gorgeous Fringilla’s hair is. Let’s talk about Triss’ natural hair being gorgeous. Let’s discuss Dara’s future and how the character getting a bigger role would be interesting as hell. If we diversify our experience with fandom it has a waterfall effect and can help increase diversity within the show itself. Remember that content creation is not just writing fic and creating art (although I love all my writers and artists out there!!) it’s also headcanons, drabbles, shitposts, memes

4) Reblog content with characters of color! Liking isn’t going to do shit on tumblr. Be sure to reblog so the content gets spread and everyone can have a good look at all the wonderful things people have created.

The creators and actors of The Witcher have shown that they are willing to quiet regularly interact with fans and take criticism and advice from them. For better or worse that is the situation. So we have a responsibility to let the creators know that not only do we value diversity but we want more of it. 

There are very few fantasy series as popular as the Witcher with so many poc in the main cast. Let’s not lose this. Let’s get some momentum going and make sure the world of The Witcher continues to grow in richness, not fall to racist pandering.

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Hi! I love all your metas and links you provided on fandom racism and I have to say as a non POC fan the more I get into major fandoms the more I’m noticing the trends you and many other POC fans have talked about especially when you also see the AO3 list of most popular ships through the year and there being barely any black character there(or f/f for that matter). It’s even worse when you see the erasure or the way female POC characters’s role has been minimised by fandoms. I’ve noticed how whenever a WOC tends to be in a major role she’s either ignored or not much attention is payed to her compared to other white characters. Or how in the cases where she’s in a relationship with fan fav that’s either canon or about to become one you suddenly have comments saying how there’s no chemistry between the characters or how they hope/think the relationship is platonic because it would make it better than if it were a romantic one because women don’t need no man! I know this has been discussed before but it really frustrates me because while Hollywood is guilty of excluding POC of chances to be main leads and tell their stories we as audience should strive to be better and to demand better not the bare minimum instead we perpetuarte that cycle by refusing to listen and learn and check our own biases.

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I try and make sure to reblog posts I see from creators of color whenever they come across my dash or someone sends them to me. Uplifting voices of color in fandom is a massive part of combatting fandom racism. Just being to willing to acknowledge there IS fandom racism is something people don’t want to do half the time.

Also thanks for enjoying my meta! I have a masterpost here if u want to check anything else out

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Anonymous asked:

I'm sorry, are you genuinely saying that people are only allowed to talk about issues pertaining to race in TWN fandom and that people aren't allowed to criticise the poor structure and arc of Eskel because he's white?

Bestie I’m going to go out on a limb and assume this ask is a reaction to this post

All I’m going to say to u buddy is that if you read this:

And there’s genuine constructive criticism. There’s talking about Eurocentrism and the impacts of race in media and how diversity in media is important. There’s criticisms of acting choices and character designs.

And came to the conclusion above….I think ur bias is showing because you chose to focus on a very specific part of this post…and it’s really telling 😩🤚

(Also the arc/structure being poor is your opinion I actually found it quite entertaining 😉)

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Hello! Fandom lurker and POC here. I mostly use this account for liking posts and normally I don’t do this but I have some thoughts I’d like to share.

I’ve seen some conversations about how TWN is using wigs/contacts to make the features of many of their actors of color look more Eurocentric. And they are absolutely right.

Francesca’s actress Mecia Simson is mixed (Jamaican and English) but you couldn’t tell based on the makeup they gave her on the show.

Triss’s hair this season is a red wig which wouldn’t be problematic except they made the wig a much looser texture than her natural hair. (We actually find her hair in S1 to be plenty red enough but MANY fans thought otherwise)

Even with dark skin characters like Dara and Fringilla, they could have been much more creative with their hairstyles. Dara has a basically a copy of Véa’s hair from S1 and Fringilla had sloppy braiding that wasn’t even dipped properly, resulting in jagged braids at the ends. I’ve done better end braids at 2am in my kitchen. For a show with creative design, they did not put in the same amount of effort for their hair as say Calanthe’s hair.

But we can’t ignore how fan reactions and what fans are interested in has played a role in a lot of these changes.

When the first season’s trailers came out forums were bombarded with racist remarks about every actor of color and once Season 1 came out Anna Schaffer had to face an high amount of racism for her portrayal of Triss. Many people here on tumblr would use Game Triss and erase Anna’s portrayal entirely. People would constantly talk about her hair being the wrong color and how this ruined the character.

Fandom largely ignored characters that weren’t white men. We don’t interact with fandom but I consume a lot of content. I found people would pour their hearts into side character white men from the games, create elaborate headcanons and backstories about random witchers, and mostly leave out any women of color entirely. Yennefer if lucky would be Ciri’s mom and relegated to the Geraskier matchmaker. At worst she would be demonized, exaggerating things she did in canon or making up new reasons entirely to hate her. Triss and Fringilla were outright ignored.

Yes. Hollywood has a racism problem. Yes. Hollywood has a whitewashing problem. Yes. They have a eurocentrisme problem. But we the fans are directly contributing to it by letting them know that women of color and characters of color don’t have a place in fandom. That we don’t want them here.

Fandom is no longer relegated to a dark corner of the Internet no one sees. Lauren Hissrich (no matter how much we might not like it) regularly interacts with fandom on twitter and so do many other people who work on The Witcher. They see us. And when we perpetuate erasure of woc and when we send the statement we don’t have a place for poc we are not helping the situation.

And some of the people I’ve seen commenting on how this eurocentrisme is being perpetuated on The Witcher don’t even seem to be invested in these characters. I’ve outright seen many of these people in the past hate these characters and even reblog posts about Triss’ hair or ignore the characters in favor of white men. It’s hypocrisy at its finest.

If you only critique the portrayal of poc in media but do nothing to support diversity in fandom you are part of the problem. And I’m tired of the hypocrisy. I’m tired of feeling like fandom isn’t a safe space for people like me. I’m tired of feeling like every poc has to scream to be heard in fandom.

And I know this won’t change much. I know white mlm will still dominate the Witcher fandom. People will critique any inch of diversity while having 99% of their content based around white men. But maybe this might change one person’s mind. And that would be enough for me.

For the people who support diversity in fandom ILY and I cannot thank you enough. I’m a lurker but I love all your work and sometimes it’s the only thing that makes me feel like this fandom is worth anything.

We have to bring attention to these issues in Hollywood AND support diversity in fandom. If you don’t do both. You are part of the problem.

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bamf-jaskier

Important points and I thought I would add some sources with OP permission:

People getting upset over Triss’ S1 hair color (look in the notes for more too)

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