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Dorian and Orym admit their feeling for each other and share a nice night cuddled together
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lady vex'ahlia de rolo, baroness of the third house of whitestone and grand mistress of the grey hunt
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Mr. Doomseed I'm not single but I'm free on Tuesday if you want to hang out on Tuesday because Tuesday is when I'm free on Tuesday Well done Sam you've made yet another icon ♥
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Ashton: "I've known a lot of artists in my life. They are fucked up."
Artist Side of the Table:
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The Ruiduborns of it all make me feel kind of icky about a situation where they completely stop all of Ludinus’s plans. I feel like Keyleth could make speeches and other world leaders can make proclamations but there is thousands of years of prejudice the world over that exists in this world and in the lay person’s mind, the existence of Predathos proves that right. Then even further, the world is scared of Ruidusborns because the dissemination of information is very much like the Dark and Middle Ages of our world. Through the clergy, and Vasselheim needed to protect its interests, and the basic person’s knowledge of the world reflects that. All of this to say, I think the only way Ludinus’s plot doesn’t end with Ruidusborns being seen as enemy number one regardless of if he’s stopped is for the orb’s knowledge to actually be sent out. A good old Aeorian Reformation as it were.
there is a part of me that worries that this may end up in a situation like "well one GOOD ruidusborn stopped ludinus so now you jerks can't hate on them!" like a lot of situations regarding fantasy racism. they have to prove themselves to be one of the good ones to justify not having all their people killed. people can be evil or heroic regardless of their heritage, that's literally first grade, and i'm hoping that if people can see moral greyness in the gods but still respect them they can do the same for ruidusborns.
#this#yeeessss#i agree#that's also my fear#ashton's speech touched on what i'd like to have the narrative talk about more#focus on#aka: people#like. people in and of themselves are precious#peoples' lives are precious#you cannot and should never put genocide on the table that's just fuckin evil#*looks at vassalheim priestheads*#critical role
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to clarify i don't think being ruidusborn is in any way equatable to being a person of color for the same reason i'm not fully onboard with the idea that ashton is technically part native because his dad turned him into a "titan of blood" and that's not possible irl. there's nothing you can compare being cursed by the moon (which has alien species on it now btw) or your dad accidentally turning you into a rock monster to anything regarding actual real life racism. my headcanon that imogen is mestizo exists outside of that for obvious reasons.
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my personal take on the situation
#i'm not on here ;_;#i'm 'wants the gods dead'#not just 'gods critical'#but also ludinus is boring and just a bare minimum big bad role filler#a pseudo magneto sort of villain#which i can't stand and i'm sick of these sorts of villains problematic bullshit#it encourages and perpetuates victim blaming#ludinus bores me to tears and is incompetent#my brain focuses on anything else when his name pops up#but fuck the gods#i don't care about predathos#i know it's just going to be a 'oh if you release this it'll doom everyone' sort of thing which i'm also bored and disappointed with#no one unironically fully agrees with ludinus#the amount of pro-god weirdo zealotry in just the tags is exhausting#but yeah that's my stance that isn't here#critical role#also a headsup: the 'thinks the debate is stupid' people are the pro-god people#just fyi#they only think it's stupid because of the scant amount of people questioning the unquestionable
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i feel GENUINELY insane because nobody in canon or fanon has brought up ruidusborns in these conversations.
@caeslxys made a very good post about it, shout out to Peyton, but in general you're totally correct! imo, a lot of people are discursively motivated to disregard the plight of ruidisborn or justify the suspicion and ostracization they face, because to do otherwise is to admit that Liliana Temult is a sympathetic character.
(When she brought up the fear of the gods and their followers retaliating against ruidisborn, regardless of involvement, if Predathos was subdued, most of the responses i saw either called her delusional, said it would be her fault, or even a few "good"s.)
(Also Orym saying this, which I'm assuming was a line he had on the tank for a while regardless of what Liliana said-which, lmao-given that the other option is that he's saying ruidisborn being hunted down would only start to make up for Will and Derrig's deaths, and I don't think that's what Liam meant to imply.)
But no, it's the same viewpoint applied to undead like Laudna and every mortal whose had negative experiences with the gods-they're making a big deal out of nothing, and if it really is happening its their fault. The oldest rhetoric in the book for dismissing the concerns of the marginalized. The fact that Ruidisborn are a more X-Men style of oppression doesn't change the way these systems work on them, and in fact just further heightens the cycle of suspcion and isolation leading to anti-social behavior, leading to punitive measures and further suspcion and isolation. See: people saying that if ruidisborn are all hunted down, its the fault of Liliana and other ruidisborn who joined the Ruby Vanguard to get the first chance they've ever had at understanding and belonging.
In the last week or two there's been a growing appeal to the idea of a silent majority in Exandria who have a great relationship with the gods, actually, and who don't deserve to have their loves disrupted for the sake of those who don't. The truth of this claim doesn't particularly matter, because it serves the same purpose as people saying that it made sense for people to chase Laudna out of towns because undead are scary, or isolate Imogen because having to talk to someone who can read minds is uncomfortable; it's a grotesquely utitilarian way of saying that the people on the outskirts are acceptable sacrifices. It's "fuck you, I got mine" disguised as "looking out for the little guy." It's "those that matter, and those that don't" with a friendlier, broader vision of who matters.
#again: this is why#this is why i can't stand the big bad of this season is anti god#that they have to stop and save the gods#because FUCK THE GODS#and also THIS#it paints an implication of 'anything against the gods = bad evil must destroy'#no matter how much 'nuance' you want to put into it#people won't see that#and this is what we get#critical role
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obviously yes i know it was mostly for the sake of letting everyone have a turn and not just having another I AM NO FRIEND TO THE EMPIRE plot shutdown moment but nothing fundamentally proved ashton's point harder of "the throne is the problem" than both braius' belief and orym's literal vestige bestowed upon him by melora not being enough to convince the rulers to trust them and everyone having to pull out all the stops just so they'll be trusted to perform a task. the fact that ashton had to hold their hands and talk them through that you didn't need to be devout to care about, you know, potential oblivion killing everybody. genuinely most frustrating first hour of a critical role episode ever because you wanted to kill near every single npc in the fucking room
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in general though, a lot of things in c3-ruidisborn, undead, aeormatons, Aeor, Hearthdell, Ruidis-are obviously not one-to-one comparisons for real life identities, or ideologies, or places, or concepts. the gods of real world faiths aren't even really a good comparison for Exandrian gods.
but power exists in Exandria, and the stratification of it, and oppression. Matt is exploring colonialism and cult indoctrination and war. it's fantasy, but the dynamics of the above reflect our own, are built from real world understandings of them.
so beyond the explixcit racism and misogyny that's everpresent in fandom, there's also a lot of stuff that isn't exactly analogous to real world -isms, but is spoken about in a way that calls those things to mind. victim blaming of the oppressed and outcast and othered. villainization of anyone who takes issue with the current system, and dehumanization of those who have done wrong in the name of changing it. impassioned defending of the most powerful. there's a lot of stuff that feels like it was written by someone who may have unlearned this or that real life prejudice but never unlearned the harmful beliefs that underpin and sustain them, and is reflecting that now.
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still upset no dorian moment in the intro :(
gib us a moment for the blue boyo.
everyone keeps saying he's part of the bell's hells, while trying to covertly shove him under the rug.
he's a part of the group? prove it then. show it.
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frustrating as these people demanding that all ruidusborns be killed with their whole chests are and receiving exactly one (1) STFU from keyleth for it, there's an even more fucked up concept that's been overlooked due to, uh [motions at the rest of the episode]. the moon's been flaring for 16 solid days. you really think people have just stopped having babies for 16 solid days? are you really saying you're going to murder two week old babies for the greater good? fuck off with that shit.
#whoop there it is#absolutely#eternally disappointed keyleth isn't shutting everyone down#and is very god-favourable compared to where she used to stand#i'm tired#i'm glad ashton interrupted the meeting and was frank with them#but it wasn't enough#fuck vassalheim#fuck these priests who want genocide#critical role#i want kiki fistfighting all these guys constantly then getting up and continuing her speech#like 'oh you want to annihilate everyone/thing related to the moon? get out.'#and then she flying elbow smashes them while in the form of a dragon or something#this is my vision
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Laudna asks Dorian about how he’s handling his brother’s death
#this makes me tear up#got me crying when i first saw it#and NOW AGAIN WHEN REWATCHING GODDAMMIT#dorian storm#vidz#audio#critical role#and this? this was only AFTER he put a target on himself by addressing the elephant in the room with laudna#otherwise i don't think anyone would have asked him about this#i also adore his points in this#the character's history of seeing/wanting orym to be a leader#someone to steer him and being stable#and now he's realized orym is no such thing#and there's no leadership no stability nothing to rely on in this group or even at large#with the mess that is vasselheim and all those world authorities#gah i love him#i love dorian so fucking much
i'm so tired. there was only one good part of that episode last night and it was when Dorian's existence was finally acknowledged and paid attention to for a few minutes, but only because Dorian singled himself out by asking laudna that question.
things i want to rant about but am too tired:
- it should not be on Dorian to make a move, when it comes to him and orym. Dorian's made all the moves. all of them.
- i AM glad that Robbie brought up Dorian's feelings of unimportance to the group (especially after ashton's rude 'we're all garbage' diatribe. (i really think it's going to be forgotten by the group though)
- soooooo many people in this episode saying 'oh i'm not religious', while showing how much everyone (y'know, barring Dorian thank goodness) is very religious and pro-gods... i cannot describe how alienating that feels. again, like when i learned the main big bad group that needs to be stopped hates the gods... it's all about what you choose to convey in your stories, and this story conveys that not liking any of the gods makes you an anomaly.
wake me up when all the god boot-licking is over.
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i agree the gods care about the mortals but that's pretty much it really. it stopped at caring.
when the dawnfather explicitly mentioned he knew what asmodeus was going to do when sarenrae reached out to him i.e. massacre her entire followers? and he didn't prevent it from happening because he felt his kin deserved to try anyway? so let her?
what does it tell you about the gods, that one of theirs that was the most vocal about caring for mortals/their children felt that a massacre was justifiable enough to let happen simply because it would prove a point among themselves that another one of theirs is good and kind and brave to attempt the impossible.
and the dawnfather knew damn well it was impossible.
it just occurred to me. what's really bugged me about the gods (especially the 'primes') since cr1, and fantasy gods in general.
there is more concern/focus/energy on them looking "good", rather than actually doing good things.
what actually really still bothers me about orym invalidating Dorian's suffering (over something ashton said) --y'know other than a Character of colour being shut down in favour of a white character's whatever-- is that no one stood up for Dorian.
No one. no one stood up for Dorian in the slightest.
no one pushed against orym. no one challenged him, despite everyone there knowing the level of unnecessary cruel weight (to a loved one) in his words.
#and it's not even a case of minding their own business#they have come to back orym up over his trauma and anti-ludinus-at-the-cost-of-everything stances#i'm not bothered with a character being an ass and making a huge mistake#but i'm super bothered by no one else seeing it as a mistake in the first place#no one holding him responsible#critical role#Dorian Storm#orym of the air ashari#i'm craving and dreading thursday#because i i'm afraid the entire ep will be taken up by vasselheim#and we won't get anything on this