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Agnostic Atheist | She/They | Brazilian-Canadian | Will happily answer any questions you have about atheism/what it's like being an atheist
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Christians shouldn’t be ashamed or afraid to state a fact about Christ.

Jesus is God.

The Father is God. The Holy Spirit is God. God is one being in essence, majesty, power, and glory.

And we are all going to stand before Him and give an account for our every idle word, every silence, and every thought.

We should care far more about His perception of us over any other.

If you cannot affirm this, repent.

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Your claim of trinity isn't even considered an agreed-upon fact among Christians.

Prove your claim that your god even exists. I'm not just gonna take your word for it. You're just some rando.

If your god existing was a fact it'd be front page news.

If your god existing was a fact, there wouldn't be thousands of existing and extinct religions.

Just because YOU believe that your god exists and sacrificed himself to himself due to rules he created in the first place doesn't mean everyone else is required to do so too.

Hell, there isn't even extrabiblical contemporary evidence that Jesus even existed.

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Bible Verses You Don't Hear About

"The customs of other people are worth nothing."

Jeremiah 10:3

Okay, I just looked through the indices for the Catholic, Lutheran, and Anglican/Episcopal lectionary cycles, and you're right! Jeremiah 10:3 (and all of Jeremiah 10, for that matter) is something that I didn't see come up for their Mass services. Which is odd. For fuller context of this one section of a verse (you didn't even quote it in its entirety), Jeremiah is talking about the worship of other gods and the crafting of idols. This should be shocking to absolutely no one, because the Hebrew and Christian Scriptures are replete with commands not to worship other gods.

1. "We explicitly believe and say that other cultures are worthless, actually" isn't the flex you think it is.

2. Y'all quote sections of verses aaaall the time ("Peace on Earth" vs "Think not that I came to bring peace on Earth" for starters) so I hardly see what's the big deal about me doing the same.

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As an Indigenous lifelong atheist being told by theist Jews on Tumblr that I have to be culturally Christian because I happen to be Latina, it feels extra gross and infuriating to me.

Especially as my tribe in particular (Nambikwara) has a long and very proud history of resistance against Christianity.

What theist Jews are saying when they say that all Latinos have to be culturally Christian regardless of their life story:

a) Indigenous culture and identity as well as other minority cultures in Latin America are invalid and/or unimportant compared to Christianity (if they even acknowledge their existence at all).

b) Latino culture is monolithic when it's anything but. If I were to say that Jewish culture is monolithic I'd be (rightfully) called a bigot, but in their minds saying that about Latino culture is a-okay. In fact, it's bigoted of me to disagree with them (complete randos on the internet) about what my culture is.

c) That Latinos don't get to have autonomy; we're required to have a hive mind because some randos who happen to be Jewish said so. And if we disagree with them then we're bigots because to disagree with a Jew regarding your own identity is bigoted, I guess.

d) They're imposing Christianity on Indigenous people, which is gross enough on its own without the added bonus that it also implies that Indigenous peoples' struggles to retain their culture are at best pointless and at worst irrelevant (if they even acknowledge the struggle at all).

e) They, complete randos on the internet, are more qualified than me to determine what my culture and beliefs are (not unlike how run-of-the-mill queerphobes claim to know better than the person themselves what their sexuality and gender are).

f) That Jewish Latinos are culturally Christian by default and don't count as real Jews.

g) That your culture is whatever the main religion in your country happens to be -- unless you're Jewish, Jewish people are the only ones who this doesn't apply to.

Well, I could at least understand the mindset behind saying someone who was raised Christian is culturally Christian, as your worldview has inevitably been impacted by the culture you grew up in. It does have some logic behind it. That being said, it kind of invalidates any work the person has put into unlearning the toxic parts of their childhood culture (which I'd imagine is extremely energy and time-consuming). So while I understand the mindset, I don't know if I would agree with it.

But this isn't even the case of what they've consistently done to me. They've said this stuff AFTER I've explicitly stated that I've never been a Christian and was raised secular.

And when I ask them if that means that Jews living in Christian-majority countries like the US and Canada are culturally Christian I get either ignored or called an antisemitic bigot.

Same goes for if I ask if Latino Jews are all automatically culturally Christian.

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Gringo theist xenophobia against atheist Latinos raised secular

Me: I was raised secular and am therefore culturally secular.

Random theist gringo Jews* on Tumblr: No, if you're Latina you have to be culturally Catholic.

Me: I wasn't raised Catholic, I was raised secular.

Random theist gringo Jews on Tumblr: That doesn't matter. We decide what your culture is, not your life experiences.

Me: So Jewish Latinos are culturally Catholic?

Random theist gringo Jews on Tumblr: *crickets chirp, a tumbleweed rolls by, no one ever responds*

Being atheist doesn't mean we're deficient in parenting if we don't employ a religion's parenting techniques. We have our own, thanks.

Secular atheists have their own culture regarding how children should be raised and taught to behave.

That kind of bigoted mindset is why atheist parents are significantly more likely to be denied custody of their children compared to religious people.

You don't get to decide what culture a random stranger on the internet belongs to.

Telling an Indigenous person like myself that they have to be culturally catholic when they tell you they aren't is an incredibly disgusting thing to do.

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* I'm singling out the theist Jewish community on this because they're the ones who have repeatedly told me this.

Some religious behaviour/arguments/insults regarding atheists are staples in most religions while others are unique to specific religions/denominations. This one just happens to be, in my experience, a uniquely Jewish one. Jews aren't better or worse than any other religious group.

You. You get it.

Though what they're doing isn't quite assuming I'm an exchristian (which is also egregious just like you said); in my case, they tell me I'm culturally Catholic after I've explicitly told them I've never been religious. So they know full well I'm not an exchristian, they just don't care.

According to them all Latinos are necessarily culturally Christian because the only religious culture that exists in Latin America is Catholic, apparently.

Which is both xenophobic and factually wrong. Other religious groups are in the minority but they DO exist, and they matter and count just as much as the majority religion.

To quote @famed-witch, "You can't fucking escape Catholicism in Latin America".

I've asked them if that means that North Americans are all culturally Christian since you can't escape Christianity in North America either and they've yet to give me an answer.

I’ve asked them if that means Jewish and Muslim Latinos are also culturally Christian since we were all raised in the same culture and none of us are Christian, and they have yet to give me an answer.

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Sh!t Creationists Say

"Evolution promotes racism!"

Morris, Henry M. 1985. Scientific Creationism. Green Forest, AR: Master Books, p. 179.

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Much to the contrary.

Studying evolution has taught us that genetic diversity is essential for species success in the long run. That's because the more diverse a species' gene pool is, the better the species will be able to adapt to changes in its environment. This in turn is due to the fact that higher diversity inevitably means a wider variety of potentially advantageous mutations.

Don't put all your eggs in one basket, basically.

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For example, English white peppered moths used to be the majority of the species population demographic because they would camouflage in white tree bark. As dark peppered moths were more visible, fewer survived to procreate. Then the Industrial Revolution came around and the soot from the factories turned the white trees black.

Were the species only comprised of white individuals, it's likely that peppered moths would have become endangered. Instead, due to genetic diversity in body colour they were able to adapt, with the darker moths becoming the majority.

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Studying evolution also teaches us that genetic diversity is crucial because there is no way to know which mutations will become advantageous in the long run. As such, the logical conclusion is that (to borrow from Star Trek) we should embrace and celebrate Infinite Diversity in Infinite Combinations; to treasure and support people who are different from ourselves because they could hold the key to our species' survival.

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Gringo theist xenophobia against atheist Latinos raised secular

Me: I was raised secular and am therefore culturally secular.

Random theist gringo Jews* on Tumblr: No, if you're Latina you have to be culturally Catholic.

Me: I wasn't raised Catholic, I was raised secular.

Random theist gringo Jews on Tumblr: That doesn't matter. We decide what your culture is, not your life experiences.

Me: So Jewish Latinos are culturally Catholic?

Random theist gringo Jews on Tumblr: *crickets chirp, a tumbleweed rolls by, no one ever responds*

Being atheist doesn't mean we're deficient in parenting if we don't employ a religion's parenting techniques. We have our own, thanks.

Secular atheists have their own culture regarding how children should be raised and taught to behave.

That kind of bigoted mindset is why atheist parents are significantly more likely to be denied custody of their children compared to religious people.

You don't get to decide what culture a random stranger on the internet belongs to.

Telling an Indigenous person like myself that they have to be culturally catholic when they tell you they aren't is an incredibly disgusting thing to do.

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* I'm singling out the theist Jewish community on this because they're the ones who have repeatedly told me this.

Some religious behaviour/arguments/insults regarding atheists are staples in most religions while others are unique to specific religions/denominations. This one just happens to be, in my experience, a uniquely Jewish one. Jews aren't better or worse than any other religious group.

You. You get it.

Though what they're doing isn't quite assuming I'm an exchristian (which is also egregious just like you said); in my case, they tell me I'm culturally Catholic after I've explicitly told them I've never been religious. So they know full well I'm not an exchristian, they just don't care.

According to them all Latinos are necessarily culturally Christian because the only religious culture that exists in Latin America is Catholic, apparently.

Which is both xenophobic and factually wrong. Other religious groups are in the minority but they DO exist, and they matter and count just as much as the majority religion.

To quote @famed-witch, "You can't fucking escape Catholicism in Latin America".

I've asked them if that means that North Americans are all culturally Christian since you can't escape Christianity in North America either and they've yet to give me an answer.

I’ve asked them if that means Jewish and Muslim Latinos are also culturally Christian since we were all raised in the same culture and none of us are Christian, and they have yet to give me an answer.

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Gringo theist xenophobia against atheist Latinos raised secular

Me: I was raised secular and am therefore culturally secular.

Random theist gringo Jews* on Tumblr: No, if you're Latina you have to be culturally Catholic.

Me: I wasn't raised Catholic, I was raised secular.

Random theist gringo Jews on Tumblr: That doesn't matter. We decide what your culture is, not your life experiences.

Me: So Jewish Latinos are culturally Catholic?

Random theist gringo Jews on Tumblr: *crickets chirp, a tumbleweed rolls by, no one ever responds*

Being atheist doesn't mean we're deficient in parenting if we don't employ a religion's parenting techniques. We have our own, thanks.

Secular atheists have their own culture regarding how children should be raised and taught to behave.

That kind of bigoted mindset is why atheist parents are significantly more likely to be denied custody of their children compared to religious people.

You don't get to decide what culture a random stranger on the internet belongs to.

Telling an Indigenous person like myself that they have to be culturally catholic when they tell you they aren't is an incredibly disgusting thing to do.

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* I'm singling out the theist Jewish community on this because they're the ones who have repeatedly told me this.

Some religious behaviour/arguments/insults regarding atheists are staples in most religions while others are unique to specific religions/denominations. This one just happens to be, in my experience, a uniquely Jewish one. Jews aren't better or worse than any other religious group.

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Christian Privilege (7/?)

Reminder from an atheist:

Forcing someone to take off religious clothing* is just as wrong as forcing someone to put something on.

Whether they’re taking it off or putting it on, it should be of their own volition without pressure from anyone.

End of.

It’s one thing to say “your school hijab has to be a colour which doesn’t clash with the school uniform” or even “It has to be neutral and within this colour palette”. My jr high school had such a rule about all headwear -- hijabs, bandanas, and headbands alike (our uniform was white, navy blue, and forest green, so we could wear those colours or black). The Canadian army and the RCMP have such rules regarding turbans and hijabs.

But forbidding people from wearing religious clothing outright is another kettle of fish altogether.

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* Other than in specific circumstances, such as temporarily for health and safety; if you’re working in a lab with open flames asking someone to take off their niqab is reasonable; I recall reading an article ages ago about this very issue where a scientist who works in such an environment was like “Yeah, I take off my niqab in the lab. I’m not an idiot, I don’t want to catch on fire.”

There are also cases where it’s possible to compromise: In Canada we had this huge debate in the early aughts about Sikh kids taking their ceremonial dagger to school, which they’re supposed to have at all times. Which is a fair safety concern -- kids and knives is not a good combo. The solution was to compromise that the daggers could be brought in if they were soldered shut. Problem solved. Everyone’s happy (and safe).

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