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Agnostic Atheist | She/They | Brazilian-Canadian | Will happily answer any questions you have about atheism/what it's like being an atheist
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pileofknives

Men will literally study Paracelsus, translate 1600s alchemical texts and distill potions for melancholy before going to therapy

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threefeline

Ok but legit the actual video is so good and goes pretty in depth of how they actually did it. It was a "potion for melancholy" and he explains some history behind it, including how much knowledge they really did have about certain plants and herbs and the benefits behind them. It goes into the process of This Particular way of extracting those plants properties(oils and stuff I think through distillation??). Pleeaaaaase go watch it if it sounds even slightly interesting to you. And he also does really try it.

Honestly just go listen to some of his videos. He's great.

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moghedien

This is my legit favorite YouTuber. His entire channel is scholarly discussions on ancient and medieval religions, magic, the occult, and philosophy. he literally has a PhD in this stuff and provides a ton of information on how to find resources for further reading on topics

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reblogged

ok so this post is paryoding gay atheist arguments that have been around since the dawn of time yet they keep spouting them like they're new

and a bunch of gay atheists saw this and ofc started spouting the literal same gay atheist arguments from the dawn of time (one literally just posted a quote from socrates or smth) and i just.

e-atheists are so predictable y'all really are monkey huh

Ah, yes, the same arguments that have been around since the dawn of time, not anything like the arguments in favor of God that are constantly updating.

Gags aside what do you expect, its kinda the same debate thats been around since the beginning of human history, not exactly a whole lot to innovate on fundamentally from either side, comes with the territory. Also yeah, you toss in bait and the internet is quick to follow, I could probably get the same reaction from theists parodying a bunch of biblical arguments, you know, if anyone followed me.

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atheostic

Christians like @ed-longshanks​ be like

  • Magic is real!
  • Look at the trees!
  • Donkeys and snakes can talk!
  • Dragons are real!
  • I believe we should follow the laws of the Bible set by God, except the ones I find inconvenient.
  • If it’s in the Old Testament that law commanded by God doesn’t count. But follow the Ten Commandments found in the Old Testament, y’all. Oh, and them Old Testament laws about gay people.
  • I don’t understand it, so magic man in the sky must have done it.
  • I’m not an animal, I’m made of dirt!
  • But I don’t LIKE the idea of thinking instead of following orders. :(
  • There’s a context where condoning owning another person as property is moral!
  • 900 year old man making a wooden boat that fit 2 of every dinosaur plus two of every modern land animal plus enbough food for each animal and human on board makes total sense!
  • A wooden boat could TOTALLY survive gigantic tsunamis!
  • A wooden boat carrying 4,000 termites could TOTALLY last 40 days and nights!
  • Two of every animal would TOTALLY be enough to repopulate the planet! It’s not like carnivores need meat or herbivores need plants or anything.
  • Gay sex icky.
  • Y’all just wanna sin!
  • Ugh why do people historically and currently persecuted by Christians have a problem with Christianity? So unreasonable! >:(

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Christians like @questions-for-christians​ be like

  • Let’s have a friendly debate! :D
  • Oooh, you think different than me? I have so many questions!
  • So, what’s your opinion on this?
  • Could you elaborate about why you believe _______?
  • Hey, can I have some sources for that thing you said/talked about so I can check it out?
  • Hmm. I don’t have a good answer to that. I’ll have to think about it/do some research.
  • Yeah, what IS up with God’s explicit condonement of slavery in the Bible and all the other immoral bits??
  • I’ll be honest with you, I don’t know, and I might never know. Sometimes life be like that.
  • Oh, that’s an interesting point I hadn’t thought of before!
  • I’m not sure I agree but you make a valid/interesting point.
  • I recognize that Christians have historically persecuted a helluva lot of people and still do, atheists included, and that it was wrong then and is still wrong now.
  • I won’t out you as an atheist if given the chance.
  • Omg, I’m so sorry for unintentionally using a harmful stereotype used by Christians for centuries to oppress the minority you’re a part of. I’ve learned from my mistake, won’t do it again, and fixed that post. Thanks for educating me!
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That’s Not How You Logic: Logical Fallacies

Argument from Popularity

Also known as argumentum ad populum, this fallacy basically boils down to “it must be right because a lot of people believe it”.

Common uses of this fallacy are “2 billion people believe in God”, “95% of people in history have believed in some form of higher power”, or some variation thereof.

This is faulty logic because the number of people that believe in something has no bearing on whether something is true.

100% of people used to think that the Earth is flat. 

And those people were wrong.

What makes something true is the evidence supporting it, not how many people believe it.

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No way to detect you’re wrong means disqualification from claiming you’re right.

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i-vitalis

But what is wrong, and what is right? Is the unpalatable bad for you even if in poor taste it is good for your health? Is the sweet good for you, even if it spoils your health? And are they not in this and that measure, both right and wrong?

Friend, be wrong and right in regards to what? Science does not claim right or wrong, except in using man as a measure. By observing the body and its components moreso than dictating them. Science is a lense that provides for us clarity, claritty to learn from our earth and life in it. But right and wrong, is human. And it comes in many a shape and form, through many lenses rose-coloured or quite the opposite.

What is this absolute right you are referring to?

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atheostic

Having worked in lexicography in a professional capacity in the past and having taken several philosophy courses in university, perhaps I can clarify a few things.  

1. “What is wrong vs right” or how we can know what is true.

Hoo, boy! That’s a very good but very complex philosophical question. 

We could be here all night. Literal books have been written on the subject.

If you’re interested in reading on the subject, I strongly suggest looking up epistemology (the study of knowledge).

Feel free to ask me for more resources if you’re interested.

2. What @religion-is-a-mental-illness means when they say “right”.

In this instance, when they say “being right” they are using the scientific definition, which roughly boils down to someone’s claim being “a claim about reality that can be independently verified and which has not been falsified by any other claim which has been independently verified”.

In other words, someone’s claim can be potentially tested by anyone, and when someone else follows the same set of steps they get the same results (or something pretty close to it, to account for slight variations), and which no other known testable claim contradicts the explanation about how/why you get XYZ result.

For example, we know the theory of air drag is right because anyone can test it and it consistently proves to be true. 

If you get two Kinder Surprise plastic containers and leave one empty and fill the other up with rice so that it weighs heavier then seal both up with tape and drop them, the heavier egg will fall at the same speed as the empty one because they are the same shape.

Galileo Galilei first proved this using a wooden ball and a cannonball of the same size and dropping both from the top of the Tower of Pisa at the same time. 

Since he had just proven it isn’t weight that makes things fall at different speeds and that things of the same shape fall at the same speed regardless of their weight, he rightly concluded that what causes things to fall at different speeds is their shape

He hypothesized that if you were to drop a feather and a hammer at the same time in an environment without air that the two objects would fall at the same speed because air drag was no longer an issue.

Granted, he had no way of testing that hypothesis in his time... but then we went to space and found an environment with no air.

Enter the Apollo 15 crew, stage left:

How cool is that?! :D

3. What @religion-is-a-mental-illness means when they say “wrong” (and how we go about proving something is wrong).

Claims which are “right” in the aforementioned sense are both verifiable and falsifiable. 

That is, people can replicate your results to prove they weren’t a fluke and you can provide people with ways which your claim could be shown to be false.

In the case of Galileo’s claim, for example, if anyone were to drop two identical objects of different weights at the same time and they fell at different speeds, his claim that the shape is what affects the speed at which an object falls would be proven false. 

Another way that it could have been proven false is if when the Apollo 15 crew dropped the hammer and the feather still fell slower than the hammer.

So far, no one has been able to falsify Galileo’s claims, so we say that they are right. 

So how do we prove that something is most likely to be wrong?

There are several ways, which all pretty much boil down to providing verifiable evidence that contradicts the claim and/or being unable to replicate the results despite using the same steps/methods the other person used.

For an example, let’s look at the 1998 study by Andrew Wakefield regarding the role of measles vaccines on the prevalence of autism and how it was found to be so flawed that Wakefield lost his medical licence due to sheer incompetence at best and wildly unethical behaviour at worst.

In 1998, Andrew Wakefield, then a doctor, published a study claiming there was a causal link between measles vaccines and autism (he also did several other studies afterward, all of which have since been debunked).

Everyone was intrigued/kinda surprised by his findings, because twin studies in the 1970s had shown that autism is genetic, a result which had been repeatedly confirmed by similar results in similar studies the world over for decades since the original studies had come out. 

So, naturally, various doctors around the world took it upon themselves to attempt to replicate Wakefield’s studies to double-check if his studies had maybe had a false positive (it happens, at no one’s fault, which is why replication studies are done to double-check results) or maybe come across a secondary aspect to what causes someone to be autistic.

What happened is that nobody was able to replicate anything close to his results. They all got similar results to each other, but not to Wakefield’s results, and the result that kept being found in attempted study replications was that there ISN’T a link between measles vaccines and autism. 

Not by a long shot.

Something was clearly iffy. 

So there was an investigation into Wakefield’s studies. 

They found several issues regarding his methodology, such as misleading readers about how children were chosen for the study: “His conduct resulted in a misleading description of the patient population. This was a matter which was fundamental to the understanding of the study and the terms under which it was conducted,” said Britain's General Medical Council.

This was why nobody was being able to replicate his study -- he hadn’t actually followed the steps he said he did.

It was also found upon investigation that Wakefield’s first study had ordered research on nine children without his hospital's ethics committee approval (three of which had invasive procedures they did not need). Wakefield had also paid children at his son’s birthday party for blood samples to use in the studies and had served as a paid consultant to attorneys of parents who believed their children had been harmed by vaccines

The fact no one was able to replicate anything close to his results led to us questioning the validity of the study, which in turn led to us finding that his methodology had not been as sound as he had presented it to be, which is how we know his study results were wrong (the fact that he had violated a bunch of ethics codes was just the icing on the cake).

4. When we say that something is “right” in this sense, we aren’t talking about absolutes.

You see, in science when we say someone is wrong or right, it’s not intended to be an absolute. It’s a tentative position based on the best explanation for the collective evidence we have thus far accumulated on a subject.

For example, when we say we know the Big Bang is right, it’s said with an understanding that it’s the best current explanation for the observed facts about galactic redshift and Olber’s paradox (to name but two of the various bits of evidence that point toward the Big Bang) but that this may change if we discover information which falsifies something major in the current model. 

However, until we find something that contradicts the model, we have no reason to think it’s wrong when we have found nothing that contradicts it and only found things which confirm it.

In fact, for something to be considered scientific it has to have a way for it to be falsifiable.

That isn’t to say that if we find out that a detail about the theory was inaccurate that the whole thing immediately collapses. It’s expected that details will need to be tweaked as we learn more, but it’s expected that the gist of the theory remains the same.

Darwin’s version of the Theory of Evolution By Natural Selection, for example, isn’t the model we currently use. 

Why?

Because certain aspects of Darwin’s model have been falsified by new information we learned over time (e.g. the existence of DNA and genes). 

So his exact model wasn’t right, but the gist of it was. 

And we know the gist of it was correct because every bit of new info we find, such as the discovery of genes or fossils like Tiktaalik, fit in perfectly with the kinds of things we would expect to find if the gist of his model was right, which is why even though the model has changed since Darwin’s time he’s still credited as being the one who came up with it (it’s worth noting that his own theory was ultimately a conglomeration of various hypothesis from scientists across various places and time periods, but that’s a story for another post).

It’s entirely possible that one day someone finds something that turns all of modern biology on its head (more unlikely with every discovery that supports it, but not impossible). 

But until that time, it’s logical to assume that since all the information we currently have supports the Theory of Evolution By Natural Selection and we have not found a single shred of evidence that contradicts it, that the theory is correct.

Because the time to believe something is when it has been proven to exist/be true.

Which leads us to my final point:

4. What claim is being talked about in the OP.

Ultimately, the claim itself isn’t the point, but rather whether there is a way for your claim, whatever it might be, to be proven false.

For example, Let’s say your claim is “A god exists”. 

How could you prove that claim to be true or false?

If it’s a non-personal deistic god (that is, a god which does not interact or interferes with our world), it’s indistinguishable from a god which does not exist, and as such cannot be proven to be true or false. 

And something that is neither unverifiable or unfalsifiable cannot logically be believed to be true.

If your god interacts with the world around it, however, it should be able to be verifiable/falsifiable, the exact manner of how to verify/falsify it being dependent on how it interacts with the world.

If your god is said to answer prayers, for example, then one could set up a prayer study to see if prayer really does get results. 

In the case of intercessory prayer (prayer on behalf of someone else) some studies have found no major difference, some have found a small positive effect on the mood of the person being prayed for (if they know they’re being prayed for), and some studies have actually found intercessory prayer to have a negative effect on the person’s health/recovery if they know they’re being prayed for.

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@religion-is-a-mental-illness, please correct me if I misconstrued your meaning. I don’t wanna be puttin’ words in your mouth that you didn’t mean. :)

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That’s Not How You Logic: Logical Fallacies

Ecological Fallacy

When inferences about the nature of specific individuals are based solely upon aggregate statistics collected for the group to which those individuals belong.

For example, assuming that because a person belongs to a certain generational cohort they are inclined to certain beliefs and patterns of behaviour. Not all Boomers are conservatives and not all Millenials are progressives.

Generalizations based on polls and studies may give you a good rough overall idea of what the majority of any given cohort is like, but you need to check with an individual what their beliefs are rather than assume you know what they’re like because they belong to a certain group.

No large group of people is monolithic; there are always differences of opinion within any group of people (the larger the group, the more differences you’ll likely find), be it a generational cohort, a religious denomination, an ethnic background, a race, etc.

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That’s Not How You Logic: Logical Fallacies

Fallacy of Quoting Out of Context

As it says on the tin, selective quote mining of words from their original context in a way that distorts the source's intended meaning.

A prime example of this is the use of the following Darwin quote from Chapter 6 of On the Origin of Species:

To suppose that the eye with all its inimitable contrivances for adjusting the focus to different distances, for admitting different amounts of light, and for the correction of spherical and chromatic aberration, could have been formed by natural selection, seems, I freely confess, absurd in the highest degree.

It sounds like he’s undermining his own work, when in fact, if you keep reading, he’s saying the exact opposite:

To suppose that the eye with all its inimitable contrivances for adjusting the focus to different distances, for admitting different amounts of light, and for the correction of spherical and chromatic aberration, could have been formed by natural selection, seems, I freely confess, absurd in the highest degree. When it was first said that the sun stood still and the world turned round, the common sense of mankind declared the doctrine false; but the old saying of Vox populi, vox Dei, as every philosopher knows, cannot be trusted in science. Reason tells me, that if numerous gradations from a simple and imperfect eye to one complex and perfect can be shown to exist, each grade being useful to its possessor, as is certainly the case; if further, the eye ever varies and the variations be inherited, as is likewise certainly the case; and if such variations should be useful to any animal under changing conditions of life, then the difficulty of believing that a perfect and complex eye could be formed by natural selection, though insuperable by our imagination, should not be considered as subversive of the theory. How a nerve comes to be sensitive to light, hardly concerns us more than how life itself originated; but I may remark that, as some of the lowest organisms, in which nerves cannot be detected, are capable of perceiving light, it does not seem impossible that certain sensitive elements in their sarcode should become aggregated and developed into nerves, endowed with this special sensibility.

What that quote excerpt is setting up is the explanation that what may seem absurd at first glance can actually be quite sensible when you stop to really examine the evidence.

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