Theists: Atheism is a totally new phenomenon. If it weren't we'd have historical evidence of it!
Me: You mean like Diagoras of Mellos in 5th century BCE, that one Ancient Roman tombstone*, Omar Khayyam in 1100s Iran, Menocchio in 1500s Italy, Giulio Cesare Vanini in 1619, Kazimierz Łyszczyński in 1600s Poland, Thomas Aikenhead in 1600s Scotland, and Percy Shelley in 1817?
Theists: Um...
Me: Moreover, do you know what all but 2 of these 8 examples have in common? They were all persecuted for being atheists. Atheists only show up in large numbers in history recently because before it wasn't safe to come out.
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* "Do not pass my epitaph, traveller
But having stopped, listen and learn, then go your own way
There is no boat in Hades, no ferryman Charon
No caretaker Aiakos, no dog Cerberus
All we who are dead below
Have become bone and ashes but nothing else
I have spoken to you honestly, go on traveller
Least even while dead I seem talkative to you"
“Atheists Have Nothing to Complain About” (4/?)
Toulouse, France, February 9, 1619
Giulio Cesare Vanini denies the immortality of the soul, says he believes that humans evolved from apes*, and insists that religious teachings are false.
He has his tongue cut out, is strangled, and then burned to death (the typical sentence for atheists and blasphemers at the time).
* He wasn’t wrong.
Humans are apes which descended from apes. We are one of the 5 Great Ape species:
- Humans
- Bonobos
- Chimpanzees
- Gorillas
- Orangutans
There’s DNA evidence up the wazoo to prove this (and that’s not counting the massive mountain of fossil evidence!)