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Welcome atheists, skeptics, freethinkers all, to this little corner of godlessness. ~Mooglets
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There is no intellectual debate against gay marriage, says Brian Paddick

Former Metropolitan Police officer Brian Paddick has hit back at Cardinal Keith O'Brien's comments on homosexuality. The London Mayoral candidate has asserted that there is "no intellectual argument" against same-sex marriages. Cardinal Keith O’Brien,  leader of the Catholic Church in Scotland, accused the Government of arrogance ahead of a consultation on the issue this month.  Writing in The Sunday Telegraph, he claimed that plans for gay marriage were a "grotesque subversion of a universally accepted human right." He added: “The Government has suggested that same-sex marriage wouldn’t be compulsory and churches could choose to opt out. This is staggeringly arrogant. “No Government has the moral authority to dismantle the universally understood meaning of marriage.” But Paddick – who is gay – has hit back. “Same-sex marriage should simply be a universally accepted human right for everyone," he said.   “If we really believe in equality, there is no sound intellectual argument against gay marriage. There may be religious objections, as there are religious objections to equality for women, but that does not mean we should be ruled by them.” Meanwhile, the UK gay Humanist charity the Pink Triangle Trust has also slammed O’Brian’s condemnation. George Broadhead, the PTT’s secretary and veteran gay activist, said: “Given the Roman Catholic Church’s well-known views and policy on gay sexual relationships and rights, including Civil Partnership, not to mention Cardinal O’Brian’s previous homophobic outbursts, his latest are totally predictable. His contention that gay marriage would shame the UK in the eyes of the world is also bizarre.  "Has the cardinal not heard that gay marriage has already been legalised in no fewer than ten countries: Argentina, Belgium, Canada, Iceland, Norway, Portugal, South Africa, Spain, Sweden and The Netherlands? I am not aware that any of these countries have suffered shame or any sort of pariah status as a result. This just shows how out of touch with reality the Roman Catholic Church has become.”
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Leading Scottish Cardinal likens gay marriage to slavery

The head of the Catholic Church in Scotland, Cardinal Keith O'Brien, took to the media this weekend to launch an attack on the government's plans to hold a consultation on legalising gay marriage. In an opinion piece for the Sunday Telegraph, O'Brien threw his weight behind the campaign by the Coalition for Marriage (C4M),launched by religious groups last month and spearheaded by the former Archbishop of Canterbury Lord Carey, and echoed C4M's emphasis on the "redefinition" of marriage:
"Redefining marriage will have huge implications for what is taught in our schools, and for wider society. It will redefine society since the institution of marriage is one of the fundamental building blocks of society. The repercussions of enacting same-sex marriage into law will be immense. But can we simply redefine terms at a whim? Can a word whose meaning has been clearly understood in every society throughout history suddenly be changed to mean something else?"
Having branded proposals for legalising gay marriage as "madness" and "a grotesque subversion of a universally accepted human right", and argued that gay marriage would "create a society which deliberately chooses to deprive a child of either a mother or a father", O'Brien went on to deploy a bizarre and, you could argue, rather offensive analogy:
"Disingenuously, the Government has suggested that same-sex marriage wouldn’t be compulsory and churches could choose to opt out. This is staggeringly arrogant. No Government has the moral authority to dismantle the universally understood meaning of marriage. Imagine for a moment that the Government had decided to legalise slavery but assured us that “no one will be forced to keep a slave”. Would such worthless assurances calm our fury? Would they justify dismantling a fundamental human right? Or would they simply amount to weasel words masking a great wrong?"
O'Brien continued his attack on BBC Radio 4's Today programme this morning, restating his view that legalising gay marriage will "shame" the United Kingdom. Asked whether his slavery analogy was "inflammatory", O'Brien defended the words he used in the Sunday Telegraph:
"I think it's a very, very good example as to what might happen in our own country at this present time, and I feel I've a duty, I've a responsibility, to preach and to teach, and this is one of the ways in which I do it. ... It is a perfectly good example as to what could happen in our own country if we go this way, and as I say I am simply handing on the teaching of the Christian church down through the years."
Asked whether states that have already legalised gay marriage are violating human rights, the Cardinal continued:
"Countries where this is legal are indeed violating human rights. We know that, we know what the United Nations declaration states, and we know what follows on from something like this. It seems to me to be the thin end of the wedge, and it's changing the whole notion of what marriage and what a family is."
Today presenter John Humphries concluded by asking O'Brien whether he is afraid that his views risk creating the impression that the Catholic Church is "way behind society". The Cardinal responded by suggesting that society may have "progressed" too far:
"I think it's time now to call a halt to what you might call 'progress' in society, I don't call 'progress' the things that are happening nowadays, and when we talk about the thin end of the wedge, we remember that Abortion Act in 1967, when we were told there would be clearly-defined ways when abortion might take place, and now we know there is around seven million abortions since that happened, and further aberrations are hinted at at this present time. The same would happen if same-sex unions were defined as marriages. Further aberrations would be taking place, and society would be degenerating even further than it has already degenerated into immorality."
Same-sex marriage looks set to become a key battleground in coming months. Today's Daily Telegraph reports that the Catholic Church is planning to mobilise its congregations in opposition to the plans, while secular and liberal Christian campaigners have rallied to condemn the recent attacks on gay marriage. Gay rights campaigner Peter Tatchell has condemned O'Brien's remarks, suggesting that the Cardinal should welcome the fact that gay couples wish to get married:
"Cardinal O'Brien is out of touch and intolerant. Opinion polls show that most Christians support gay equality and that 61 of the public support the right of gay couples to have a civil marriage in a register office. Only 33% disagree ... If he supports marriage, the Cardinal should welcome the fact that many lesbian and gay couples want to get married. Same-sex marriage does not detract in any way from heterosexual marriage. It does not diminish or devalue marriages between opposite-sex couples.  Cardinal O'Brien has attacked government plans as an attempt to redefine marriage. But the churches have redefined marriage in the past. They no longer oppose divorce and the remarriage of divorced couples. There is no reason why marriage should not be redefined to include lesbian and gay couples."
Meanwhile, a Coalition for Equal Marriage (C4EM) launches this week, supported by Stonewall, the British Humanist Association, the Lesbian and Gay Christian Movement, the LGBT+ Lib Dems, the Pink Triangle Trust and the Metropolitan Community Church of North London. Over 11,000 people have signed a petition supporting gay marriage so far, and you can add your name by visiting the C4EM's website.
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Cardinal accused of scaremongering

A Catholic cleric who hit out at the "madness" of the Government's gay marriage plans has been condemned for "scaremongering".
Cardinal Keith O'Brien, the leader of the Catholic Church in Scotland, accused the coalition of trying to "redefine reality" and claimed the proposals were a "grotesque subversion of a universally accepted human right."
But his comments were roundly criticised amid fears the outburst would fuel prejudice.
In an article for The Sunday Telegraph, Cardinal O'Brien wrote: "Since all the legal rights of marriage are already available to homosexual couples, it is clear that this proposal is not about rights, but rather is an attempt to redefine marriage for the whole of society at the behest of a small minority of activists.
"Same-sex marriage would eliminate entirely in law the basic idea of a mother and a father for every child. It would create a society which deliberately chooses to deprive a child of either a mother or a father. Other dangers exist. If marriage can be redefined so that it no longer means a man and a woman but two men or two women, why stop there? Why not allow three men or a woman and two men to constitute a marriage, if they pledge their fidelity to one another?"
Plans to introduce civil gay marriages have divided the Conservative party and put David Cameron on a collision course with a number of religious leaders. Cardinal O'Brien's attack was the most outspoken attack to date.
But the Prime Minister is a "passionate" advocate of the change, telling his party two years ago he supported gay marriage "because I am a Conservative".
Margot James, the first openly lesbian Conservative MP, criticised the "apocalyptic language" used by the Cardinal and accused him of "scaremongering"
"I think it is a completely unacceptable way for a prelate to talk," she told BBC 1's Andrew Marr Show. "I think that the Government is not trying to force Catholic churches to perform gay marriages at all. It is a purely civil matter."
Labour's Deputy Leader Harriet Harman said she hopes the comments would not end up "fuelling or legitimising prejudice". "We have had prejudice, discrimination and homophobia for hundreds of years, that doesn't make it right," she told the show. "I don't want anybody to feel that this is a licence for whipping up prejudice."
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Minister compares gay people to paedophiles and thieves

Opponents of same-sex marriage have come under criticism for comparing gay people to paedophiles and thieves in an effort to dissuade the Scottish Government from plans to legalise same-sex marriage.   Today, in a BBC Radio Scotland ‘Call Kaye’ discussion the Reverend James Gracie, a Minister of the Free Church of Scotland argued that lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender people should not be treated ‘equally’ because homosexuality was a ‘lifestyle choice’ comparable to paedophilia, polygamy and theft.   When asked to explain why he did not support same-sex marriage, Rev James Gracie said: “If the homosexuals and these people want to be treated equally then what of paedophiles – what about polygamy…”   Gracie went on to declare: “Yes it’s a lifestyle choice” and compared it to “people who steal, people who have tendencies for all sorts of things.”   Tom French, Policy Coordinator for the Equality Network, said: “It is disappointing that the opponents of equal marriage are comparing loving same-sex couples to paedophiles, polygamists and thieves in an increasingly desperate effort to persuade the Scottish Government to ditch their proposals to legalise same-sex marriage. Most people will be appalled by these comments.”   Grant Costello, Chair of the Scottish Youth Parliament, said; “Throughout the Scottish Youth Parliament’s Love Equally campaign for marriage equality, Scotland’s young people have demonstrated an entirely positive approach and treated those with different views with courtesy and respect. We are deeply disappointed and saddened that this standard has not been matched by those with opposing opinions and are extremely concerned that in our modern Scotland homophobic abuse and smears on national radio can be allowed to take place.”   Nathan Sparling, NUS Scotland LGBT Officer, said: “These kinds of comments, and similar ones aimed at the young people who were peacefully and positively demonstrating their support for marriage equality at the Parliament today, are truly despicable. A formal complaint was raised with Lothian & Borders Police about the incident at Holyrood. Hopefully achieving equal marriage in Scotland will be yet one more strike against hate crimes and will go further in creating a Scotland free of discrimination.”   On Wednesday equality campaigners handed over 18,000 consultation responses to the Scottish Government in support of same-sex marriage.   The responses were collected by the Equal Marriage campaign, led by the Equality Network, the Love Equally campaign led by the Scottish Youth Parliament, LGBT Youth Scotland and the NUS Scotland LGBT Campaign.   Since launching in 2008, the Equal Marriage campaign has received backing from politicians across the political spectrum, including the Scottish Government who have stated they are minded to lift the ban on same-sex marriage.   Opinion polls suggest a majority of Scots support equal marriage, including the Scottish Social Attitudes Survey 2010 which indicated 61% support versus 19% opposition. This included a majority of respondents following all the major faiths and political parties in Scotland.
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Church sends out 100,000 protest cards against same sex marriage

THE Catholic Church has warned government ministers that they face a major rebellion over same-sex marriage plans, after sending 100,000 “protest cards” to its parishioners.

The Church warned that the SNP would pay the price at the ballot box, with those practising the faith unlikely to back a party “that would dismantle the meaning of marriage”.

Peter Kearney, spokesman for the Catholic Church in Scotland, said feelings on the issue dwarfed opposition to parts of the offensive behaviour at football bill, which is aimed at ridding the game of sectarianism.

“In terms of an issue of importance to the Catholic Church, this is fundamental, utterly fundamental,” he said.

“Our concerns about the offensive behaviour at football [legislation], on a scale of one to ten, is a two or a three. Same-sex marriage is a ten. We always took the view that things like the football bill can be improved, resolved, amended – there’s always scope for change. This is a line in the sand, an issue where there is complete unanimity.”

One side of the protest card has five bullet points explaining what marriage is. The other side is designed to be filled in by people who oppose the proposed laws, and then returned to the Catholic Church’s parliamentary office, which will present them to the Scottish Government.

First Minister Alex Salmond has tried to attract Catholic voters since coming to office, and he met the Rt Rev Philip Tartaglia, the Bishop of Paisley, on Friday after he warned of a “serious chill” in the Church’s relations with the SNP.

Mr Kearney said: “I can’t see how any Catholic, in good conscience, could support a party which would enact such a law. It’s impossible to imagine.

“We know Catholic voters are a spectrum of people, with those who practice and uphold their faith and those who are pretty much lapsed. But it’s impossible to see how a Catholic who upholds their faith could support anyone who would dismantle the meaning of marriage.”

Cardinal Keith O’Brien has said the legislation would be a betrayal of Scotland’s 750,000 Catholics.

And, in a letter to parishes, Archbishop Mario Conti of Glasgow wrote that any move to redefine civil partnerships as marriages “is of serious import and will be rightly resisted by many”. He added: “The Catholic Church, for one, will not accept it.”

The Scottish Government has launched a 14-week consultation on allowing “gay marriage” – a change to laws that allow same-sex couples to enter a civil partnership, but bans the ceremony from taking place in a church or other religious premises.

A spokesman for health secretary Nicola Sturgeon said: “We expressed our initial view in support of same-sex marriage when the consultation was launched –which is of course reflected in all the political parties, just as there will be diverse views within parties – but we have given an assurance that all opinions will be listened to, no final views have been reached and no decisions have been taken.

“When the consultation was issued, we also made it clear that we would be seeking meetings with religious groups, including the Catholic Church, to ensure their views can be taken into account.”

Patrick Harvie MSP, who is gay, urged the Church to focus its efforts and finances on other matters.

“There are people in Scotland whose religion motivates them to devote their time to making this world a better place for everyone; issues from global poverty and climate change, to the peace movement and protection for asylum seekers,” he said.

“It’s truly sad that with this deeply negative campaign, a handful of cardinals can undermine that work by pretending that the great moral issues of our age are all about who goes to bed with whom, or whether gay people should be treated equally.

“I hope they eventually get over this hang-up they seem to have, but, in the meantime, I’m confident that parliament will continue to work towards equality with the support of most Scots.”

Can I just burn all the things, please? Please?

~Mooglets

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Christians pocket thousands of taxpayers’ money in waived parking fees

The National Secular Society has warned a Surrey council that it is breaking the law by allowing churchgoers to park free while charging everyone else.

Freedom of Information request to Woking Borough Council has revealed that preferential parking concessions for people going to church saved the worshippers £55,864 between 1 January 2009 and 30 June 2011.

According to the council, church congregations are able to take advantage of the parking subsidy if they are parking in Victoria Way and Brewery Road car parks. The churchgoers insert tickets in a ‘validating device’ held at the place of worship. This encodes the ticket that can then be inserted into the exit barrier allowing them to leave without payment.

The figures amount to £39,221 at Coign Church, £11,137 at Christ Church and £5,504 at Trinity Methodist Church, adding up to a total of £55,864 in the two-and-a-half year period.

According to the council, the decision to introduce the system was agreed by the executive in response to the town’s pay-on-foot car parks.

Sue Waddington, a youth worker and member at Trinity Methodist Church said it would be unfair to make people pay for parking who go to church. She said: “We are very limited in parking so it does help. It is given to people who want to worship, not go shopping. A lot of people who go to the church don’t go shopping on a Sunday.”

Geoff McManus, the council’s neighbourhood services manager, said: “The council has always been sympathetic towards car parking arrangements for town centre faith groups. Since the phased introduction from 2003 of pay-on-foot systems into council-owned car parks, arrangements have been made with three town centre churches to enable worshipers to attend morning services free of charge.

“The arrangements in place at this time are a result of direct representations to the council from the churches concerned. If we receive representations from other faith groups, the council would consider these in line with current policy.”

Terry Sanderson, President of the National Secular Society, said: “This arrangement is almost certainly illegal under equality legislation and the NSS has written to Woking Council to advise them of this.”

Mr Sanderson said that it was likely that many councils throughout the country are operating similar systems. He said: “I encourage our members to check the websites of their local authority to see if there are other concessionary parking arrangements for ‘faith groups’. If Woking’s exemptions were to be replicated throughout the country, the subsidy would amount to tens of millions of pounds.

“We have advised the council that under the Equality Act these arrangements almost certainly amount to illegal discrimination. We await their response with interest.”

WTF.

~Mooglets

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Anti-gay Westboro Baptist Church to picket in Scotland

Anti-gay Westboro Baptist Church has announced plans to picket in Edinburgh and Aberdeen at the end of October.
The church, which is based in Kansas, intends to picket at talks concerning the ordination of openly gay clergy within the Church of Scotland. 
The first protest will be staged at the Church of Scotland Ecumenical Autumn Conference in Edinburgh on Friday 28 October. The extremist group will then picket at Queen’s Cross Church in Aberdeen on Sunday 30 October. 
Speaking of the Church of Scotland’s ongoing dialogue about gay clergy, a Westboro Baptist Church press release states: “It’s starting to look like Scotland is doomed!” 
It adds: “What part of ‘Thou shalt not lie with mankind as with womankind, it is abomination’ (Lev. 18:22) don’t you understand?” 
Westboro Baptist Church, brought to international attention by Louis Theroux’s documentary The Most Hated Family in America, also plans to picket the funerals of the victims of mass murderer Anders Breivik in Norway.  It claims that picketing the funerals will serve to “warn the living” that the victims “died for your sins.” 

Gotta love the Westboro's.

Y'know what - strike that - stay the fuck out of my country, Westboro's, you're neither wanted nor welcome. This is a secular country, with a secular Government and we are far less tolerant of you assholes than our american brethren. Seriously. Fuck the hell off.

~Mooglets

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I'm so glad I found you! I'm from Scotland so it's not like I suffer much because of my atheism in general, but the place where I went to school is out in the countryside, shall we say. I got out of school there in time, but my sister is having to suffer from zealous catholic teachers (even though it's a non-denominational school) who have been poking their nose into her beliefs. Because of it sometimes I feel like we're the only non-religious family around - so thank you for making a tumblr like this where I can agree with most of what is said :)

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I'm English myself, so I know how it goes, I went to CofE schools for the most part during my school years and my Secondary School's Deputy Head was Catholic. It's not much fun. 

Perhaps you and your sister could discuss this with your parents? As your parents are well within their rights to have a word with the school about the teachers intruding in you and your sister's personal lives and beliefs (or lack thereof) in such a way. 

I say this from experience, as my mother was well known at the Secondary School my younger brother and I attended, for reading them the Riot Act and pointing out the fact that a non-denominational school was supposed to keep religion and education separate. I had a signed letter from my mother that for almost my entire schooling there allowed to me to opt out of religious services and so on. 

No matter however long your younger sister is to continue there, I honestly think your parents having a word with the Head would be a good idea. 

On another note though, I'm glad you found and enjoy the blog, we try to be a bastion of reality for those entrenched in the fantasies of others :) 

~Mooglets

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