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when u talk about jewish gryphons (sorry, i've been scrolling back pretty far on ur blog i love reading it), are u referring to the ones depicted in the birds head haggadah or something else? thank u for talking about everything u talk about it is so appreciated <3

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I'm going to answer briefly and without sources or images, which is going to KILL ME inside because all I've been doing lately is looking at primary sources and images on this topic.

But.

The short answer is, there is no strong distinction in the Bronze/Iron age between composite creatures like that. Like. Gryphons, sphinxes of varying shapes, lamassu, the chimera and manticore even, even CENTAURS for crying out loud, all have a shared origin and a shared symbolism. They are divine guardians, so they appear on doors and gates, on thrones, tombs, and in royal/sacred/public places. They almost always appear as sedated lying or standing proudly, not rampant or in an attack pose. Gryphons appear in Anatolian and Mesopotamian architecture and art first, but they're also common as royal and divine guardians in Mycenean and Minoan art, and later Grecian and Phonecian.

Cherub is the Hebrew word for these composite temple guardians - it doesn't seem to matter the exact combination or permutation of all the animal parts.

So, YES, birds head haggadah, but also, gyphons are the close cousin of Cherubim and indeed you could say fairly that they represent a type of cherub. This is why you also see them a LOT in pairs, as guardians, on places like Torah breastplates, chanukiyot, etc. Thats what they do, and what they've always done - guard sacred spaces and things.

You could also argue (and I do) that the Ziz of Jewish mythology and religious literature should be/is depicted as a gryphon, part bird and part lion. This shows a parallel to other massive archetypal birds in the NE, who also take attributes of the lion as part of their form: the roc, the simurg, and the anzu.

So yeah. Jewish gryphons. Coming to you live from the Bronze Age.

Also. The Greek word is Gryp. Compare to Hebrew K'ruv.

(For those who don't know, p/b are similar enough to be confused, and the letter V in Hebrew is also a B. The letter G originally didn't exist and was a C, which makes the same sound as K or hard G. So like. These two words are closer than they may appear.)

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My favourite comment:

You Lot: we want a loving queer relationship presented on screen

Good Omens: mkay, here, two beings that don't conform to typical gender understandings and also are very clearly in love with each other

Also You Lot: BUT THEY DIDN'T TOUCH DICKS ON CAMERA THO

On one hand there is just so much there that makes me sad, cause people try to pressure Neil here into something, because for them it’s not clear enough, not queer enough. Just not enough as a whole. And the comment that said, it wasn’t “in the text” that they love each other, was just too much for me. I have talked to people who have no shipping background whatsoever and even they have seen it!

On the other hand, there also also entries there, that give me hope again. Good Omens is just such a wonderful show and it is also a wonderful book. So the show screamed loudly about the love story onscreen, much louder than the book did. I’m glad that some people are getting the message...

Can we talk about how little representation amab and masc-presenting enbies get in pop culture? Even when we do get the rare enby rep, it’s almost always an afab person who presents androgynously. Non-binary people can use he/him pronouns and present ourselves as masc while still being non-binary.

I’ve said it before on Twitter, but I’ll say it again. If Neil had confirmed Aziraphale and Crowley as cis gay men, we’d have people complaining about how all mainstream LGBTQ+ rep is cis gay men and write more enbies, you cowards!

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Daughter comes up to me. My Tumblr is open on the PC, a random image of Azicrow kissing is on my Good Omens feed. Not deliberately, just happened to be what was there. #Good omens is 75% romantic art.

"Is that two boys?" "It is, Yes."

"Are they kissing?" "Yes they are."

"Why?" "They love each other ."

I realized we never had this conversation, and I just watched her staring at the fan art processing it.

"Oh." she said, and went to play with her toys.

As simple as that. <3

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dduane

:)

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neil-gaiman

Hello Neil! I had a thought in mind. Would you say the Archangels have any relation? Such as siblings? Many people see them as siblings while others do not, and though you may have left it up for interpretation, I would love to know if there is any actual relations between them.

Thank you.

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They all share a Creator.

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Well everyone shares a creator if you put it that way, so essentially they're not siblings, just co-workers existing in the same universe

It's not really an "everyone shares a creator" thing. People who aren't angels have parents, and were probably created sexually by reproductive methods. The angels in Good Omens were created directly by their Creator and there were no wombs, test tubes or sexy times involved.

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Okay. Okay. I realize this is like. A LOT of material. Like. 14 hours of lecture. But hear me out.

This man is a PhD in philosophy. A practicing Reconstructionist Jewish man. Giving a scholarly, intertextual survey of Jewish mysticism from the Torah all the way to the modern era. From a relatively neutral scholarly standpoint, but a Jewish perspective and made for a Jewish audience. And with socially liberal views about gender, sexuality, etc.

I just. Cannot tell you how enrichingly educational this series is. You WILL learn something. Especially if you are from the Liberal Jewish world where Kabbalah is largely decentralized.

If you are Jewish and are interested in theology, philosophy, spirituality, ritual, ontology, WHATEVER, these should be like. Required watching. And they're FREE oh my God!

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Can we talk about how funny it is that the popular social media trope of “Biblically Accurate Angels” are almost never Biblically accurate?

I absolutely love them. This isn’t a diss at any artist, I really do love almost all of the illustrations people have done across many platforms. But there’s definitely a distinct aesthetic style that’s employed in the “Biblically Accurate Angels” trope, and it isn’t…. wholly accurate.

The trend seems to be about rejecting popular images of angels in western art (winged women, chubby babies, white men with swords, etc), and instead basing images of angels on descriptions found in the prophetic books like Ezekiel and Isaiah.

What I want to say though, is that… often, those descriptions are VERY detailed, but people’s artistic expressions rarely “accurately” convey the specific details and features described in these passages.

Which is interesting. And not necessarily “inaccurate,” since many Biblical accounts of angels and composite heavenly creatures conflict in details. So you could argue that variation is expected within the genre.

However, I would love to see more illustrations where instead of just reading the Biblical account and gleaning a few details, people really dug in and committed to depicting those scenes and entities in a way that’s faithful to the WHOLE of the description. Not just a few features like “has lots of eyes” or “has many wings over the body.”

I also want to point out that the Biblical account doesn’t exist in a vacuum. You can get a much more “accurate” picture of Biblical angels by.

  • Studying angelic texts in the context of Hebrew - the etymology of these beings is often linked to their shapes
  • Studying the Jewish commentary on these Jewish books
  • Studying other Jewish, but non-canonical, writings from the Post-Exilic period
  • Comparing the descriptions in the Bible to the archeological, artistic, and literary record in the ancient Levant and surrounding areas

The emergence of the “inaccurate” angel tropes we have in our cultural milieu today come from centuries of… interpreting only a few details about angels from translations of Hebrew texts.

If your reaction to that is that you want a MORE accurate picture of angels, you should dig deeper than just the surface levels of detail in the texts, because those details have a context and that context will help your concept/imagery get closer and closer to accuracy.

Because the Bible itself was also written over hundreds of years in a variety of cultural contexts and even languages (the Tanakh is written in various stages of Hebrew and some Aramaic) As a brief example:

If you only look at Isaiah, a Saraf is a heavenly being with 6 wings and a body that burns like amber/fire/lighting. But if you study the etymology, commentary, body of literature, and artistic depictions of serafim in the archeological record… You’d know they are snakes. Winged snakes. And if you studied Enoch, you would know that even later conceptions of them as humanoid often retain snake-like attributes, and that probably forms part of the implicit context for Isaiah.

Similarly. If you only read Ezekiel, a Cherub is a four headed being (man, ox, lion, eagle/vulture) with four wings, four arms, and one single leg with a large hoof, associated with being God’s chariot bearers, their spirits linked to Ophanim, the turning many eyed wheels. However, again, if you study the etymology, the commentary, the contemporary literature, and the archeological record… cherubim are sphinxes, and don’t always appear in the same configuration. Sometimes they have male heads, sometimes female. Sometimes they have animal heads - ram, eagle, lion, bull, even snake. They almost always have wings. But instead of humanoid bodies, they are usually quadropedal. And they’re not ONLY associated with being divine chariot bearers, but also with thrones, gates/doors, tombs, and generally as guardians of civil, royal, and sacred spaces. Ezekiel himself even later describes cherubim as winged lions with both a lion and human head, so we KNOW that his concept of cherubim was centered in a time and culture when cherub meant sphinx.

So. What I’m saying is.

If you want to accurately depict the literal beings described in prophetic visions, you have a LOT more at your disposal than just “these are a few of the details in the text translation I read.”

This is no one’s fault - not everyone has time to research angels in bronze age art, not everyone reads Hebrew and Aramaic or even realizes we have millenia of commentary. Ultimately, we are all working from our current cultural context. But, I’m saying, the more you immerse yourself in the context of the TEXT, the more “accurate” your angel depictions will become TO the text.

Repeat - I LOVE the biblically accurate angels trope! I love to see them. They are factually more accurate than the fat winged babies. What I’m saying is, I would love to see MORE of this trend, I would love to see it deepen and instead of being about using Biblical details of angels as inspiration for new images of angels, using the whole context to get a clearer idea of what angels were to the original authors.

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