A Saltshaker is a Big Mood

i don’t know how anyones first response to seeing the rampant transphobia in the uk isn’t abject heartbreak for all the trans people that live here

so many people’s views around transphobia in the uk start and end at “haha terf island”, and never stop for 5 minutes and think how god awful it is for trans people to be stuck here

I haven't seen anything about this on tumblr yet, but since April 2021 the NHS also discontinued all trans male bottom surgery, including for patients BETWEEN surgeries, with no plans to resume

You’re going to need to explain how there are a lot of transmascs TERFs and no transfem TERFs.

Some TERFs hating transmascs doesn’t erase the TERFs who ally themselves with transmascs and TERFs who are transmascs.

The target of TERFs are trans women first and foremost, and the goal of TERFs is the eradication of trans women.

The TERFs who hate transmascs and the TERFs who don’t hate transmascs and the TERFs who are transmascs are all willing to work together to eliminate trans women.

There are absolutely transfem TERFs. Here’s an interview with one.

If you’re asking why there tend to be more transmascs in the movement, though, the answer is fairly simple: TERFs actively want us there. What you’re misunderstanding here is why TERFs include and exclude certain groups, and how that inclusion and exclusion works.

For trans women, yes, the goal is to be recognized and validated as women; that means inclusion in feminism. So when TERFs say “no, we aren’t going to include you, you’re not women”, that is obviously counter to those goals & needs. It’s very easy to look over at the transmascs they do include and think, well, they’re getting what I want- that’s unfair.

But TERFs do include trans women, when it benefits them. If you read that article, you’ll see what I’m talking about.

And why do they include transmascs? Is it because they care about our struggles, validate us as men, and want to help us fight the transphobia that impacts us? Are TERFs donating to transmasc transition funds and discussing ways to better include us?

They include us because they want to manipulate, abuse, and sometimes even sexually assualt and rape us into detransition. They want to “turn” us. They want to “save” us. They want to eradicate the transmasc population just as much as they want to eradicate the transfem population; they just go about the two differently.

There are no “TERFs who don’t hate transmascs”. There are TERFs who manipulate and abuse us into detransitioning by pretending to have our best interests at heart, and there are TERFs who manipulate and abuse us into detransitioning by openly hating and harassing us.

When a TERF says “I love trans men, I just want what’s best for them” and you listen to them- even as transmascs are telling you how dangerous they are, how much they hurt us, how much damage their rhetoric is doing to our community- you are choosing to side with the oppressor and the abuser. Stop listening to TERFs, and start listening to the trans people they victimize.

“They want to eradicate the transmasc population just as much as they want to eradicate the transfem population; they just go about the two differently.”

I’ve seen at least three transfem TERFs during my time here. It stunned me every time.

Using the fact that transmascs are targeted for indoctrination into a cult with the ultimate goal of coercing them into detransitioning and living miserably with their gender dysphoria until they become another suicide statistic to demonstrate that there’s an ‘allyship’ between transmascs and TERFs is… really ugly to me.

Almost as ugly as calling tme people ‘collateral damage’.

That's been my deep concern with this growing divide between tme and tma trans folks. While we experience different flavours of bigotry, it's ultimately the same hatred. They hate ALL trans people. It's called Trans Exclusionist Radical Feminism, not Transfem Exclusionist Radical Feminism. The transmisogyny is the opening gambit, but they don't and won't ever stop there.

Someone made an engagement map for TERF tweets

Y’all in the notes please be mindful when you say stuff like “it’s time to kill the British.” The people suffering the most from British transphobia are....British trans people.

^^^^^ for serious. British trans folks rarely get to transition at all, and when they don't they're often denied any social transition period. TERFs in the UK aren't here to start laws against people in America, they're trying and succeeding to kill off trans people in the UK. This really isn't the situation to cram on the brits to look and feel better about yourself... the trans body count is tremendous over there. Please have some respect for the people actually effected.

Our horrible little Plague Island isn't as bad as you may think

We really need to start calling out cis gay men’s like, outward, blatant transphobia towards trans men. like a trans guy breathes in their direction and they’re like “ewww I don’t like vagina haha sorry :p”

Cis gay men when seeing this post

Since it’s too hard for yall to comprehend anything or read properly;

- nowhere did i say cis gay men had 2 date trans men

- i literally just said that we need to start calling out cis dude’s transphobia towards trans guys

- im not holding a gun up to yalls heads n forcing you to fuck trans men you fucking weirdos lmao

Whether or not an individual has ethical or sympathetic motivations for wanting an abortion really has no bearing on whether or not bodily autonomy is a right.

Like... y’all can (and do) drive yourselves mad fussing over situations in which someone might seek an abortion for reasons that are bigoted or offensive. You will accomplish nothing from this, because at the end of the day, “is bodily autonomy a right?” is a yes or no question. It either is or it is not. People either deserve access to abortion or they do not. We can’t pick and choose.

What we can do is try to eliminate stigmas, strengthen support systems, and reduce the societal and medical divisions that cause people to not want to carry to term.

@certifiedcoolkidno1 Okay, so. We both agree that aborting a foetus only because it would become a person with a survivable disability is an ableist motivation, and I think that we would both like to live in a world where such things did not happen. What I am saying is that the problem here is the ableism itself, not the pregnant person’s right to make decisions about their reproduction. The problem is rooted in societal ills that can be fixed by reducing stigmas and improving accessibility and support systems that allow people with disabilities high quality of life and equitable access to the same opportunities and resources as their abled counterparts. Remove the reasons why a disability would be stigmatized and you remove the motivation to abort.

What you are advocating is to remove and criminalize an individual’s right to reproductive autonomy; perhaps you support access to abortion if the person in question has sympathetic reasons for wanting one—perhaps they are a child, or a rape victim, or carrying to term will kill them. But if their motivation is impure and unsympathetic, you think they should be forced to give birth against their will—as punishment? Out of spite? Does their ethical failure mean they deserve to be made to have a child they do not want?

I share your concerns about eugenics, and I think many of the issues surrounding prenatal genetic science are deeply worrying and expose a lot of ugliness in how we view human worth (not that this ugliness was ever actually hidden...). But there are a thousand better ways to address these problems than by restricting bodily autonomy. By criminalizing abortion, you do not actually stop them from happening—you just ensure that only wealthier people will be able to access them safely under medical supervision, while others will turn to more dangerous methods and be unable to seek medical help if things go wrong without risking prosecution.

A white supremacist advocating ethnic cleansing, racial violence, and/or the forcible sterilization of people with characteristics they deem “undesirable” is someone who is promoting genocide against people that already exist. Violence against living humans can and should be criminalized. The forced sterilization of unwilling living humans can and should be criminalized. Those are coherent problems that can be coherently legislated against without jeopardizing bodily autonomy; we cannot coherently legislate between sympathetic and unsympathetic voluntary abortions without a human rights crisis. Just try to imagine what that would look like—what would the investigation process entail, when trying to determine a person’s secret reasons for wanting an abortion?

“Voluntary abortion is a one-way ticket to eugenics and should therefore be criminalized” is a snappy little piece of rhetoric designed to muddle your prirotities and make you question your convictions, but it in practice it’s no different than any other anti-choice rhetoric. A more relevant question—though still fraught with controversy—is how genetic conditions are identified and disabilities detected in utero; should we try to find an “autism gene”? A “gay gene”? Is there any actual good that can come from this flavor of genetic science, and is it worth the obvious potential for evil? Has the wisdom and compassion of our civilization matured at the same rate as our scientific capabilities? Those are the real questions, and ones which abortion rhetorics are paltry answer to.

(@certifiedcoolkidno1 is a minor and someone I bear no ill will towards—do not engage with this post unless you can do so civilly and constructively)

No one goes into a sexual encounter intending for it to ultimately lead to an abortion. There are plenty of reasons someone who wants to deliver a child might abort a specific pregnancy, including but not limited to medical necessity; my own mother experienced two ectopic pregnancies before she had me, and would have needed to abort if she had not miscarried naturally.

You’re promoting the idea that pregnancy and childbirth are punishments that people earn for having irresponsible sex—that they should be forced to carry to term because they deserve the unwanted consequences of a sexual encounter. Would you say the same of rape survivors? Of children? Or do you agree that people can become pregnant through no voluntary action of their own, and aren’t “asking for it”?

If pregnancy is a punishment, then undeserving people should be spared from it and allowed to abort. And if “irresponsible” sex is something that deserves to be punished, then surely “forced childbirth” is cruel and unusual, and does not fit the “crime”—just because a child is born is no guarantee that it will be cared for. Someone aborting a viable foetus is not someone who wants or is ready for a child, and “adoption by a competent and caring family that will not abuse it” is far from guaranteed. If someone does not want to bring a child into the world because they don’t feel like they can ensure it is adequately loved and protected and provided for the way it deserves, then why would they trust the wild gamble that is the foster care system?

If your opposition to abortion is “life begins at conception and foetuses have an inherent right to be born that is more important than the parent’s right to not be pregnant,” then there is no defensible case for permitting “blameless” abortions for rape survivors and children, and the idea of “irresponsible sex” is completely irrelevant.

Lastly... if “irresponsible sex” really is something that deserves undesirable punishment, would you support alternative penalties? Fines for premarital sex? Incarceration? Public stoning for married couples who don’t want to have children but got pregnant anyway? How much community service should someone be required to do if they didn’t realize their birth control would be negated by a Halloween smoothie made with activated charcoal?

Also: Not all unwanted pregnancies happen from "irresponsible" sex. Condoms break. Birth control fails. Previously desired pregnancies are revealed to be a danger to the mother's health. One half of a married couple loses their job and the family suddenly finds themselves struggling to support the children they already DO have.

Given all that, is your argument that people who are in a devoted relationship should NEVER have sex, even if they intend to use appropriate methods to prevent pregnancy, unless they're prepared to have the baby said encounter MIGHT result in? How many kids to you think a woman should be forced to have before she's morally allowed to start refusing to have sex with her husband?

Framing the issue as though the ONLY way a person could find themselves carrying a viable fetus that they do not want to bring to term is by having unprotected sex is ignorant and disingenous.

Very interesting discussion but let me just remind you that pregnancy and abortion concern women. People don't get pregnant, people don't have abortion, women do.

Normally I am sympathetic to uncontrollable compulsions but there’s just something about the way that TERFs chime in, like clockwork, to turn any discussion that was otherwise a civil opportunity for solidarity into a platform to be divisive and hateful and alienating that is particularly annoying. They’d rather me refer to a pregnant nine year old girl as “a woman” than allow women to be referred to as people. God forbid they tolerate solidarity between people of disparate anatomical configurations with mutual interest in sexual autonomy for half a goddamn moment. Who cares about stupid shit like “reproductive choice” when we could instead be going up against the great wicked dragon of nonjudgmental respect and inclusive language? God forbid we got twenty seconds without reminding the world how much we hate and resent and distrust a vulnerable demographic!

Take your useless anti-solidarity transphobic commentary and shove it up your ass. The fucking least you can do is to stop derailing unrelated conversations just to proclaim to the world that you’ve centered your identity around hating trans women. I’m very familiar with your logic and reasoning and I still don’t understand how the fuck you think you’re “advocating for wombyn” or what the fuck ever when you do shit like this. You’re a broken record, contributing nothing but noise pollution.

Love the "women are not people" take

Says something obvious about how TERFs really view women

I’m gonna say something really problematic that’s gonna make me hemorrhage followers, but I don’t care because I’m fucking angry.

The way that women I was friends with have started treating me now that I’m deeper into medical transition is cruel and strange and unacceptable.

Feminism taught me I’m allowed to take up space, and I don’t have to take shit from anyone, and that my thoughts and feelings and art matter. Understanding that I was worth more than whether or not cishet men found me fuckable, that I didn’t have to let my body define me, these were all things that helped me realize it was okay that I was trans, that I didn’t have to be what everyone wanted me to be because of how I looked.

And now these same friends and this same community that taught me so much, people I’ve fought for and with my whole life, are telling me to be quiet again when I worked so, so hard to be heard, and it’s exhausting and alienating and weird.

I’m not saying that misandry is real or that men as a Class are oppressed, but the failure to recognize that trans manhood is different from cis manhood and that it’s not as simple as, “You’re a man now, so I’m retroactively revoking your right to speak about your trauma,” is just… real transphobic and lame.

I don’t want to be in women’s spaces or take over women’s discussions; it isn’t about that. I mean shit like real life, actual friends, who have known me my whole life, telling me it’s not my place to talk about things like abortion and sexual assault, because they think having he/him in my social media bios somehow grants me the kind of privilege that cis men get.

And I know things will be more complicated than that when I start to pass or I’m treated as a man consistently somewhere other than the internet, but like.

Dude, it was less than a year ago that somebody doxxed me and threatened me with physical violence and called my house calling me the d-slur every day because I refused to send him pictures of my tits, and you really wanna tell me I that don’t know what it’s like to be harassed by cis men?

I don’t have a point to make, really, or a solution, but like…

I just wish people who I thought had the same values as me weren’t like, “Hm. You’re yucky now,” or that I could talk about my experiences without people thinking I’m “admitting” to “really” being a woman.

Cisgender women I knew before I transitioned have had some of the worst reactions to my transition. For like two years after I came out to most people they kept trying to get me to join in with their women’s only activities and misgendering until I’d been on testosterone for over a year. Some of them still do it.

Strangely enough in my particular situation I’ve become more comfortable talking to my cis men friends and family about my problems which was definitely not the case before. A couple of my close friends have been great, but as a whole I’ve had a ad time.

A lot of cisgender women seem to think that they have a monopoly on gender based oppression, and they absolutely do face a lot of oppression. But they constantly just… ignore transgender people and their issues and add to those issues and act like they can’t possibly be doing that because cisgender men oppress them too. Transmasculine people’s issues are constantly ignored and trivialized and I hate it.

Dear fellow cis ladies: acknowledging that trans masc folks are men/masculine does NOT mean treating them just like cis men, FFS. Male privilege is something you’re raised into, not something that gets handed out as part of a kit once society decides you’re masculine enough.

Ok, I’ll admit I’m straight up confused here and need some dialogue.

There’s a lot of messaging out there that trans women are real women and society is not to hold their prior biological sex assignment to them. We are to treat them as they are now, as the gender and sex they have claimed.

This og post seems, to me, to be saying the exact opposite should be done for trans men. It seems to be saying that society, and ciswomen specifically, should still accept the trans man as a woman because his prior experiences are not negated by the gender and sex he now claims.

That… that really doesn’t make any sense to me at all.

It seems as though trans men are upset that they’re being pushed out of women’s spaces after transitioning. But, like, what? Women’s spaces are for women. You’re a man now. You can advocate and support women’s spaces, but no you cannot be in and a part of them. Just like trans women aren’t a part of men’s spaces anymore.

Am I missing something here? Do trans women also expect to remain an accepted and loved member of men’s spaces? Because right now this just feels like another example of women not living up to unreasonable expectations.

Again, this is a request for dialogue. If I’m wrong I need to know. And we can’t grow if we don’t confront what we don’t understand

I’ll try to explain. content warning for mentions of sexual violence.

First: it isn’t about access to women’s spaces, notice how OP literally said “I don’t want to be in women’s spaces”. It’s about being able to talk about sexism and the violence of the patriarchy as things that effect you personally.

But wait… don’t trans women also experience sexism and the violence of the patriarchy? Yes, yes they very much do.

But here’s the thing: when it comes to this, the experiences of trans men and trans women are not polar opposites. You can’t mirror every statement about trans women and apply it to trans men because that’s not how reality works. The patriarchy casts a wide net and targets anyone it sees as not man enough.

As you can see, sexism often targets cis women, trans women, trans men and non-binary people, basically anyone who isn’t a cisgender man.

Statistics prove what a lot of trans men are saying: Asked about recent experiences of sexual violence, trans men who are early in transition and transmasculine people who do not transition report equal or more experiences of sexual violence than cis women (while trans women report far more experience of sexual violence than both). We also see a decrease in things like job opportunities for trans men during transition. There is no instant privilege being handed out the moment they identify as men.

Some trans men reach a point in their transition where they are seen by society as male most of the time and they - as well as outside observers - can notice that privilege ticking up. Coworkers take them more seriously as they speak. Walking home at 4 AM doesn’t feel scary. They’ve acquired male privilege based on the condition that they never speak about being trans. Which is a nasty precarious situation a lot of the time. Often there is also the condition that trans men should over-perform masculinity (which unfortunately results in some trans men becoming really sexist jerks out of a survival attempt. which is BAD and should be shut down, but it still comes from a different place than the behavior of cis sexist jerks.)

It’s important that trans men recognize how their privilege works because ignoring it can result in a lot of really shitty behavior. Simple example: The IT guy comes to fix the computers at work and only wants to speak to you and not your female coworker. That’s sexism. You’re supposed to shut that guy down and tell them to respect your female coworker right fucking now. But if you don’t recognize that male privilege impacts you, you won’t act. So yeah, it’s important for trans men to recognize what male privilege they have. 

But when that is simplified to “you have all the male privilege the moment you identify as a man” or “your past experiences of violence under the patriarchy do not matter”, you deny a lot of how sexism really works, and the result can be violent as trans men lose the support system they had while very much still being a target of patriarchal violence.

Trans women often experience the violence of the patriarchy long before they identify themselves as women, as they grow up soaked in messages about how inferior women are and see the worst of misogyny as it manifests in men-only spaces. And when trans women start presenting femininity, the violence of the patriarchy follows immediately. No slow process for them. Sexism targets those it sees as ‘not man enough’ and as far as the patriarchy is concerned, trans women are the worst sort of ‘not-men’ because the existence of trans women exposes the fact that being born with a specific genital shape doesn’t make you a man. That frightens cis men and untangles the patriarchy, so trans women get all the worst of sexism immediately.

But the experiences of trans men are not a polar opposite of that, they’re a different process in which sexism launches an extra intense assault against their person when they come out as trans and only slowly impacts them less during transition. And the potential trauma sexism has caused in their life endures.

So tl;dr:

Currently on twitter we are organising a hall of shame for the worst anti takes I've run into over the years. Anyone have any additions?

So far we've got the entire 17k note "imagine if an anti was your therapist" post, the fiction IS reality rant, Junkrat/Roadhog is pedophilia, I chose god over shiro, gorespammers, and the time I got an incredibly sexual anon hate copypasta about the Duolingo Owl.

@boogiepopular

tumblr is way easier for receipts and I am secretly a hoarder of all the ones that make me go “wtf”, but here’s the other ones I mentioned on twitter + a couple extra I didn’t have room for.

oh boy, strap in

I love that last one in particular. I can guarantee you, most people who play Team Fortress 2 are playing it to kill the enemy-colored pixels. How do I know, you ask?

Because I'm the only one pushing this goddamn cart!

It's like they've never played an FPS game in their lives.

The look on her face when she realizes

Here’s what they said if you didn’t understand-

Interviewer: What do you think about starting an initiative on campus here at UK, to be more inclusive to women who have penises? So we can put urinals in the womens restroom for them.

Student: Sounds fantastic.

Interviewer: Oh, does it?

Student: Yeah.

Interviewer: What about- Let’s take it one step closer, y'know more- for inclusivity here on campus, but free tampons and pads in the mens restroom for men who have periods?

Student: Sounds great.

Interviewer: Ok- You dont see anything wrong with those statements?

Student: No.

Interviewer: What men do you know with periods?

Student: I generally use- ones like in Willy T* have pads, I use them pretty often.

*(Willy T is the college nickname for their library I’ve heard.)

I attend this school and I can confirm 2 things. Yes, our big library is indeed called Willy T AND the day that this stank bitch came to campus everyone was losing their MINDS and kept walking by in hopes of getting chosen to call her out. Immaculate.

i. am on the floor. wheezing. the moment she realizes that not only is she talking to a trans man,, but that SHE COULDN’T CLOCK HIM,, this is high art and i want it written in Big Wedge sharpie on my wall

daniel radcliffe calling out j.k. rowling on her bullshit is big dick energy

One thing I have not seen mentioned in light of this statement, perhaps because it's just well known or perhaps because it's been forgotten, is that Radcliffe has dealt with this before. About 10 years ago his friendship with a trans musician named Our Lady J became known to the tabloids. They immediately published sensational articles calling her a transvestite and a drag queen (she was not), and speculating about the nature of their relationship. He responded to insinuating questions by simply being aggressively positive about what a great musician and good friend she was. They did at least one interview together for a queer magazine. This at a time when trans people were even more marginalized than now, and when he as an actor was finishing Harry Potter and under a lot of pressure to ~manage his image~ as he transitioned to an adult career.

TL;DR - Radcliffe has a record of not just saying nice things, but supporting trans people in his life.

trans ppl own the word queer

we use it to stay safe so we don’t have to constantly announce that we are trans in potentially unsafe company

it originated in the gay community and has always seen common (if regional) use in actual lgbt communes and real-world activism

terfs want to retire the word queer so trans women have to taxonomize themselves to self-identify

there is no other word that serves its purpose

there is nothing distinct about its use as a slur from the word “gay”

i just saw someone get called a “demon” for self-identifying as queer by someone with f*g in their url

im actually over caring how harsh it sounds on yalls ears

blacklist it if it triggers your ptsd that bad

you’re not allowed to compromise trans women’s safety and demonize our elders because you’re sheltered enough to think nono words are the biggest threat to our way of life & you’re too ignorant to know your history

i dont care what galaxy brain discourse you saw. i, and every trans woman i know, am telling you that stigmatizing the word queer is choosing terfs over us

cis ppl should reblog this but dont say anything

because tumblr brain makes you think removing words from your vocabulary is the absolute height of activism, regardless of who is telling you to do it or why

the person im vagueing thinks ace people are “the ones pushing the q slur” & can’t figure out why terfs love their posts where they call trans women “demons” for self-IDing as queer in public

“queer can’t be used as a self-identifier or a collective term for lgbt people” and “trans women MUST self identify” are the exact same stance

Also people who say “it’s okay to self-identify with that word as long as you don’t use it as a community term” are missing the point that the ENTIRE REASON I started self-identifying as queer is because I wanted to find other people who self-identified as queer and be in a community with those people SPECIFICALLY. Those are MY people.

And yes, the primary reason I wanted to find that community is because I wanted to explore what gender means to me in a space where other people felt free to explore what gender means to them without any of us being forced to tick a specific gender box that doesn’t fully encapsulate the fluidity of our experiences.

[Image: Anonymous says, “how is that even a hot take tho you’re objectively correct.”]

This is what I meant when I said “radfems adopted “queer is a slur” as a direct response to trans identities”.

If you’re gonna support trans men, you have to support egg trans men too

Plenty of trans men don’t come out of the womb knowing they’re trans men and mocking “women” and “girls” for common traits found in trans men before they knew they were trans is… you guessed it, transphobic

And no, I’m not expecting non-transmascs to have any clue what’s a common egg trans guy experience, but the second you start hearing a bunch of trans dudes say “hey, this is something I did before I knew I was trans”, start listening and you could learn

This includes mocking fujoshi for liking fictional stories of men attracted to men. The “cis girl pretending to be trans to live the yaoiz!” is a terf kind of rethoric that is directed at queer trans men all the time, but it also contains a little trace of truth in the sense that a lot of queer trans men and even some straight trans men were fujoshi at some point of their lives. Like yeah, mocking fujoshi, who are merely women who like queer content, is bad and misogynistic as it is, but a lot of times it feels like people outright ignore how this trend can affect other groups besides cis women. If you care about offering a safe and supportive environment for trans men and other queer people, drop that anti-fujoshi bullshit.

The longing and sense of rightness I felt when reading m/m romance stories wasn't because I was a "fetishising straight girl" who read them "just to get off" (though they are a safe place for people, me included, to explore their sexuality -- trust me when I say it's hard for afab people both cis and trans to find porn portraying people with vaginas in ways that are not supremely uncomfortable for a lot of us, most porn is aimed primarily towards cishet men)

Actually it was because I was fucking trans please and thank you

why r antis like this

there is so much wrong with this and I don’t have the spoons to do a full breakdown but yeah this is, I believe, made by a TERF if the reference to autohomoeroticism is any indication 

OH I DO I DO! *raises hand* I VOLUNTEER AS TRIBUTE!

Breakdown attempt 1 (more additions will probably come later because there is SO MUCH to unpack and I’m not throwing away the whole suitcase):

Transphobia/TERF shit:

Ableism:

SWERF/anti-kink shit:

Misogyny:

Queerphobia:

Horseshoe theory (you were the conservative Christians all along!):

WOO, IS THAT EVERYTHING?

I need a drink after that one. The amount of work to break down that shit has me thirsty.

if i may add a small detail i noticed - the drawing has visible body hair on the arms, which i assume also falls under the “not grooming” bullshit, and the idea of a woman not shaving/having body hair being bad and gross is both sexist and also transphobic. small detail, but as an afab nonbinary person who feels dysphoric about a lack of body hair and gets pressured to shave what little i have i couldn’t help but notice

also the girl herself being in generally drawn as unkept and not conventionally attractive is kinda sexist in itself, how dare women not care about how hot they look

Can we also address {and not forget when it comes to this type of discourse} the inherent racism and xenophobia? “Foojoshi”. Like that doesn’t fucking send a zillion red flags that the person saying that is one of those White™ Karens. Even “fujoshis”, which I fucking cringe at every time I see both antis and anti-antis say it. Like, come on now? It’s a Japanese term, first and foremost, not a Western term. These dumb cunts just want to bastardize it because they hate non-white people that much and make other White™ Karens follow their lead as well. I mean.. I honestly thought that would be the first bullet.. and then point out everything else. Guess I was wrong. Hmm..

Oh, yep. That too. I probably should’ve mentioned that! I keep forgetting it’s not well-known outside of specifically dedicated fujoshi discourse circles how weirdly vile, nasty, and racist folks get with anti-fujoshi shit. What a mess, right?????

why r antis like this

there is so much wrong with this and I don’t have the spoons to do a full breakdown but yeah this is, I believe, made by a TERF if the reference to autohomoeroticism is any indication 

OH I DO I DO! *raises hand* I VOLUNTEER AS TRIBUTE!

Breakdown attempt 1 (more additions will probably come later because there is SO MUCH to unpack and I’m not throwing away the whole suitcase):

Transphobia/TERF shit:

Ableism:

SWERF/anti-kink shit:

Misogyny:

Queerphobia:

Horseshoe theory (you were the conservative Christians all along!):

WOO, IS THAT EVERYTHING?

I need a drink after that one. The amount of work to break down that shit has me thirsty.

if i may add a small detail i noticed - the drawing has visible body hair on the arms, which i assume also falls under the “not grooming” bullshit, and the idea of a woman not shaving/having body hair being bad and gross is both sexist and also transphobic. small detail, but as an afab nonbinary person who feels dysphoric about a lack of body hair and gets pressured to shave what little i have i couldn’t help but notice

also the girl herself being in generally drawn as unkept and not conventionally attractive is kinda sexist in itself, how dare women not care about how hot they look

I can’t be the only one who feels how uncomfortably close this is to the ‘tucute caricatures’ that truscum were (and still are? I don’t know I make liberal use of the block button) making.

And I think that has a lot to do with this format being directly ripped from TERFs making the same types of ‘caricatures’ of trans women to demonize them.

Funny how this always circles back. And by funny I mean predictable and telling.

Note, for all the focus on how “she” is this invasive woman, there’s not even a vague attempt to present this caricature as “feminine.” Broad chin, broad shoulders, no chest… this is straight-up transphobia packaged for the anti squad to eat up. The whole point of it is to make you focus on fighting the “wrong” trans people and not the real enemy.

Gotta admit, though, I love the self-contradiction there - she has no libido regarding herself, but is “autohomoerotic” and so sex-obsessed that it gave her carpal tunnel and hormone imbalances.

that feel when you’re so misogynistic that you just straight up copy incel memes to make fun of other women

Yeah, the whole “has no sex drive but masturbates constantly” part was particularly obviously contradictory.

I won’t even get into the fact that someone can feel aroused without sexual desire because that involves subtly the artist was NOT going for.

I think the part where it says fujoshis are primarily LGBTQ+ is VERY important. While there are plenty cishet fujoshis, for a lot of young girls (me and a bunch of gilrs I know included) yaoi was an important outlet for the horrible feeling of not-belonging in an heteronortmative society. It was a place were not being straight was cheerished, while not having to necessarily deal with it ourselves (not having many female characters to project upon). When I was a teen, yaoi culture helped me overcome the internalized biphobia and join queer groups that I met because of the intersection. No one denies there are problematic tropes in yaoi, but this is being used as an excuse to shame women with a sexual drive that differs from the norm, to shame gnc people, to shame sex work and neurodivergent people.

^^^^^

why r antis like this

there is so much wrong with this and I don’t have the spoons to do a full breakdown but yeah this is, I believe, made by a TERF if the reference to autohomoeroticism is any indication 

OH I DO I DO! *raises hand* I VOLUNTEER AS TRIBUTE!

Breakdown attempt 1 (more additions will probably come later because there is SO MUCH to unpack and I’m not throwing away the whole suitcase):

Transphobia/TERF shit:

Ableism:

SWERF/anti-kink shit:

Misogyny:

Queerphobia:

Horseshoe theory (you were the conservative Christians all along!):

WOO, IS THAT EVERYTHING?

I need a drink after that one. The amount of work to break down that shit has me thirsty.

if i may add a small detail i noticed - the drawing has visible body hair on the arms, which i assume also falls under the “not grooming” bullshit, and the idea of a woman not shaving/having body hair being bad and gross is both sexist and also transphobic. small detail, but as an afab nonbinary person who feels dysphoric about a lack of body hair and gets pressured to shave what little i have i couldn’t help but notice

also the girl herself being in generally drawn as unkept and not conventionally attractive is kinda sexist in itself, how dare women not care about how hot they look

why r antis like this

there is so much wrong with this and I don’t have the spoons to do a full breakdown but yeah this is, I believe, made by a TERF if the reference to autohomoeroticism is any indication 

OH I DO I DO! *raises hand* I VOLUNTEER AS TRIBUTE!

Breakdown attempt 1 (more additions will probably come later because there is SO MUCH to unpack and I'm not throwing away the whole suitcase):

Transphobia/TERF shit:

Ableism:

SWERF/anti-kink shit:

Misogyny:

Queerphobia:

Horseshoe theory (you were the conservative Christians all along!):

WOO, IS THAT EVERYTHING?

I need a drink after that one. The amount of work to break down that shit has me thirsty.