this man is litterally defending child rapists, what else would you expect from a proshipper?

The fuck are you on about? I'm highlighting the antisemitic ask I'm getting, not defending whatever the death row inmates did. Also, not believing in capital punishment isn't the same as thinking it's okay to commit crimes lmao and you fucking know it.

When are you people going to learn what a dogwhistle is

⚡⚡- Nazi SS insignia

((())) - With a name in the middle, it's used to identify/accuse people of Jewish ancestry

3%ers/lll%ers - Three percent'ers. A militia group that bases themselves symbolically on the incorrect statistic that only 3% of men in the original 13 colonies fought against the British. A flashy signifier to let other far right groups know that they will absolutely take up arms for America

9% - The supposed percentage of the worlds population that is fully/pure white

13% - Anti black dog whistle for the false claim that black men make up 13% of the population but commit 50% of homicides

100% - Pure race white

1-11/111 - Used almost exclusively for the Aryan Knights with 1=A and 11=K in accordance to their numerical alignment in the English alphabet

12 - With no law enforcement context, 12 could read as Aryan Brotherhood with 1=A and 2=B in accordance to their numerical alignment in the English alphabet

13 - Used almost exclusively for the Aryan Circle with 1=A and 3=C in accordance to their numerical alignment in the English alphabet

18 - Adolf (A=1) Hitler (H=8)

21-2-12(21/2/12) - Used only for The Unforgiven as a shorthand for their motto. Unity (U=21) Brotherhood (B=2) and Loyalty (L=12)

23-16 - White (W=23) Power (P=16)

109/110 - Representative of the number of counties Jewish people have been expelled from which (depending on which type of fascist you're dealing with) some would consider America to be/will be included, hence the 110

311 - Representation for the KKK meaning 11 (K) three times

737 - Used only for Public Enemy Number 1 (PEN1) in accordance to their numerical alignment on a telephone keypad

1423 (14/23) - Used almost exclusively for the Southern Brotherhood. Unlike other white supremacist organization who follow numeric symbolism, they instead choice to represent themselves under The 14 Words AND The 23 Precepts

1488 (14/88) - 14 being David Lane's Fourteen Words and 88 being the eight letter of the alphabet twice (HH) as a placeholder for Heil Hitler

6,000,000,000,000/6 trillion - Not only limited to trillion. Some variants feature billion, zillion, gorillion etc. A mocking reference for the 6 million lost to the Holocaust

AKIA = KKK shorthand for "A Klansman I Am"

American Identity Movement (AIM) - The chosen reformation name for Identity Evropa. Definitely a source of confusion though since the change was made last year but members (ex members?) still choose to identify as Identify Evropa members

Blood and soil - "Blut und boden". Lebensraum ideology claiming that the original (blood) descendants belong to their original (soil) land

Blueish - Placeholder for Jewish. Can sometimes be found in manipulated/edited photos that gives the subject a more blue tint

Coal burner - "Race traitor" white person who dates black people

Clown world (🤡🌍) - The normalization/continuous birth of Jewish, Muslim, poc, LGBT+, autistic, disabled people will make the world (west) a circus

Day of the rope - A fictitious day where mass murders of Jewish/Muslim/Poc/Race traitors will occur

Discussion club - Alt right meeting

EST - Purposefully meant to be confused with Eastern Standard Time but when used in a context that doesn't have anything to do with time, it's actually shorthand for Every Single Time. Meant to place blame on Jewish people whenever anything "bad" happens. (Can also be used against Muslims and pocs)

FGRN - KKK slogan. "For God, Race, and Nation"

Fren - "Far Right Ethno Nationalist". Plays into internet subculture baby talk (think uwu or cummies or woofer) with common phrases being "frens don't fite frens" or "no fren wars!!"

Globalism - Obvious anti immigration nonsense

Great Replacement - Claim (falsely stated as scientific fact) that immigration and increased birth rates of foreign born people is leading to white genocide. (May sometimes include interracial relationships)

Happy Merchant - The written version of that ONE anti semitic drawing that's a standard for all anti semites to post that we've all seen a dozen times before. No I'm not gonna post it -_-

Identitarianism/Identitarianist - Nice way of calling themselves Nazi

JQ - "Jewish Question". Debate on the status of the civil, political, and all around humanity of Jewish people

Jwoke - Someone who is supposedly "woke" to the "ruling status" and "crimes" that Jewish people commit

Listen and Believe - The far right belief that liberals (and some moderates and centerists) are more willing to allow/accept the talking points of fascist if presented by someone they view as a leader, role model, trustable, or at the very least, level headed

Loxist/Loxism - Combination of lox (brined salmon commonly enjoyed by Jewish people) and racism

Milk before meat - Mormon origin. Used when recruiting/softening up "normies" to far right ideology. Offering up soft and digestible fascist talking points to gauge openness before giving them more hearty fascist ideology

NazBol - THERE'S A LOT TO UNPACK HERE! NazBol is, simply put, Nazism and Bolshevism smashed together. With Bolshevism originating as a faction of the Russian Social Democratic Labor Party, and Nazis just being your standard Nazi. Bolsheviks were a working class alliance who greatly opposed Russian involvement in WW1, heavily favored unity amongst the poorer class, and coined the slogan Peace, Land, and Bread. Absolutely baffling how one can force these two polar opposite political magnets to collide, but APPARENTLY the mental gymnastics behind it is that it's a Third Position political ideology. Basically NazBols espouse the standard ideas of Nazism (eugenics, ethnic cleansing etc etc) but heavily favor certain leftist ideologies because they will give a better quality of life to the chosen few left behind. Ain't it funny!?

Nibba - The n word

Noticer - ~see jwoke~

ORION - Our Race Is Our Nation

Our guy - A far righter/believed to be far righter

Power level - Dragon Ball Z origin. Indicative of someone's involvement in far right beliefs. The more of a fascist you are, the higher your level is

ROA - Race Over All

RWDS - Right Wing Death Squad

Skype - Anti semitic k word

WAU - Women for Aryan Unity

Windmill - Swastika

YKW - "You know who". A question where the answer is Jewish people. ~see EST~

Zioworld - A replacement for Zionist Occupied Government meant to be less obvious

I'm also including fascist symbols. Although not technically dog whistles themselves, they still rely on obscurity to thrive

And here are some more detailed/extra dog whistles

BONUS: Here's a video dispelling the stupid Great Replacement myth sinces it's extremely informative and relevant

(Disclaimer: This list is by no means perfect or binding. ANY type of person can have a skull on their body, but have it be used soley for their grimdark aesthetic. You can also have someone with a hammer in their profile, but have it be representative of their work as a carpenter. Or you can have someone be referred to as "our guy" just because he's the life of the party! Certain pieces of dog whistle symbols and lingo can be totally innocent on their own (Pepe), BUT many literally CANNOT exist in any capacity that doesn't tie into fascism ((())). This is why they need to be learned and context needs to be added to every situation and sentence they are found in. Because the kid in the tiktok begging their fren to come dance with them doesn't need to be burned at the stake. And the Kekistan citizen putting blue filters over celebrity pics with a milk icon in the Twitter header DOES NOT need to be given the benefit of the doubt.)

This is one of the best replies I’ve ever gotten this is so comprehensive thank you!

Just saying what should be obvious for the younger crowd: almost every piece of iconography that Nazis and other fascist have is stolen from other cultures. If you see someone using these symbols it does not mean “I am a Nazi!”

It means, “this person is using images that Nazis use,” You are now dealing with Schrodingers Nazi. apply critical thinking skills or straight up ask a person what that symbol means to them to find out if they are a Nazi piece of shit.

This is also good advice! A lot of these can be 100% innocently used so be careful

Something else that is hopefully common knowledge but bears repeating: these are dogwhistles. You’re SUPPOSED to not be able to know. That’s why if you are going to use one or more of these symbols you have to make yourself vocally anti-Nazi and pro-jewish/pro-poc.

i love to headcanon steve as this aggressively progressive dude but like, he begged to be part of the us army,,,,,, we can’t just Forget That

He joined to literally fight Nazis the fuck you on about?

Minecraft lore is deeper than i remember

he was also like 20 and the Internet didn’t exist so besides the fact that fighting the Nazis was one of the few good things the military has ever done, just mayhaps Steve wasn’t fully briefed on the sins of US militarism and imperialism

I love that y’all think tha white people in the army in WWII joined to fight the evils of the Nazi party and not because of nationalism. The US sent minorities back to Germany to be gassed and only got involved after Germany threatened us.

captain america was created by joe simon and jack kirby, two jewish second generation immigrants. you can argue about what the character has come to represent culturally today but it’s absolutely insensitive to erase what the character was supposed to represent for the creators at the time.

hell this is the image on jack kirby’s wikipedia page next to the “entry into comics” section

it was absolutely a political statement, and one that positioned america against fascism, against antisemitism, which is more than we can say for some modern media or even the orange stain running our country

I would also like to add, he was introduced, like this, while the USA was not in the war, and was selling weapons to Germany -among other things. It was a very dangerous, very unpopular statement to make at the time. People love to do the ‘punch Hitler’ thing now, but when Captain America was first released with this cover, this was an extremely controversial statement. 

Captain America was created in direct response to how the USA was reacting to the war at the time as a direct call to action against injustice specifically. Created by two Jewish men who were very much affected by all of this. They specifically designed him to look like he did because that was the ““Aryan Ideal”“ as part of that statement. That is why they made him blond, blue-eyed, white, tall, and muscular. They also called him ‘Captain America’ to implicitly tie the United States to this statement. This was a metaphor of ‘The USA has to stop letting others be hurt, it’s time to step up and do something’.

It’s not only insensitive to erase that, it’s Antisemitic to call a Jewish-made character that was a political statement against antisemitism in the 1940′s by people who were fed up with watching their loved ones die while people said they ‘shouldn’t get involved’ in a massive, global genocide attempt a ‘symbol of military industrial complex imperialism and nationalism’ when he was made as a symbol of resistance and a call to fight fascism and antisemitism.

Has anyone mentioned yet that American fascists were so pissed about Captain America that some American Nazis showed up at the Marvel offices to “show what Real Americans would do to Captain America”. Jack Kirby literally rolled up his sleeves and would have beaten the shit out of them if they hadn’t run off by the time he got to the lobby.

Like, fuck you if you refuse to accept that JEWISH AMERICANS created a character that is intended to protect Jews and other marginalized groups.

This.

Hear me out for a minute… (this is an American-specific analysis but probably applies to lots of other places) Radical leftists’ anti-Semitism is, in practice, assimilationist rhetoric against a group of people of immigrant ancestry, who still maintain their cultural identities and customs inside the countries (like the US) that they were raised in. It’s identical in a lot of ways to old school, boring nativism.  It *isn’t just about Israel.* We’re not actually supposed to have connections to anyone anywhere outside of the United States; during the 50s, we were scrutinized for ties to the Soviets, and we’ve ALWAYS been scrutinized for ties to any country we’ve left unless there has been some major public genocide (i.e., the Shoah) that provides some kind of justification for asylum. But we have to have practically been killed off within an inch of our collective lives for that to be valid.   Jewishness just isn’t supposed to exist *as its own thing* or *as its own identity.* Jews who are white passing, are actually being asked to prioritize their whiteness over their Jewishness, and not in any way discuss anti-Semitism too much. “Jews are white now” is disingenuously used to mean “let’s revise history.” It’s great that we’re not okay with pretending the Shoah didn’t happen, but can we also not pretend that American Jews were treated like hegemonic white people before the 1970s? And that Jews historically didn’t always live in “white” areas? Fuck’s sake, even *census rolls* in some places didn’t count us as white.  From what I’ve seen, it seems like Jews who aren’t white, are treated as their visible racial identity first and Jewish second (if at all). (And if you’re Jewish and contribute to this problem, I’m calling you out for it.) When you add those last two things together, the end result is… Jews do not actually exist. Jews are nothing. Jews aren’t supposed to exist. Jews are asked to basically not make any kind of big deal of anything we deal with *as Jews.* We’re not supposed to make our own issues or our customs too visible and we’re not supposed to complain in spaces where there may be structural anti-Semitism. And if we’re too assimilated then our Jewishness doesn’t count enough for us to talk about, but if we’re not, it counts against us as well.   It’s not just about not taking up space in Israel, we’re not actually supposed to take up space *anywhere*.  We’re not supposed to actually be *visibly* Jewish. And we’re not supposed to be ally to non-white groups either, in any meaningful way that would build solidarity.  It’s not just that we’re white, it’s that we’re SUPPOSED to assimilate to a kind of hegemonic whiteness that excludes any kind of actual Jewish identity!  We’re presently assumed to be white, Judaism is ~just a religion~, religion is problematic, so we’re supposed to assimilate with mainstream white people.  (Or, on the flip side, we’re told that if we’d just become Christian, all of our troubles would just Go Away.) All this and I didn’t even TOUCH the issue of Israel or Zionism. But another thing is that we’re not actually supposed to have a history of any kind that’s distinct from anyone else’s, or ties to any other country. The left treats Jewish people the way that the right stereotypically treats (non European) immigrants in general, in being treated as personally responsible for the actions of their governments. Except that many Jews are able to become invisible in white culture so that is exactly what we are required to do.  At the end of the day, we’re supposed to be indistinguishable in every way from white Americans who do not identify as Jewish, and we’re considered responsible for the bad things that hegemonic white Americans have done, even when we’ve been their victims. Congratulations, that’s just ordinary boring 1950s style nativist/assimilationist rhetoric, dressed up as leftism. That’s just full on fucking horseshoe theory right there. 

YES YES YES YES YES YES

When I say that, while I would love to see more diversity in representations of Jewishness that reflect the richness of our people, I am NOT here for Goyim constantly insisting that every Jewish character needs to also be “something else” (JoC, LGBTQ+, disabled, etc.) in order for them to be counted under the banner of real representation because in their minds, Jewishness alone does not qualify as an aspect of diversity, THIS IS WHAT I MEAN.

When I say that I’m tired of non-Jews assuming I must be “white” based on the fact that I’m Jewish and then say “oh, well then I wasn’t talking about you,” when I tell them I’m mixed and still find their words antisemitic, THIS IS WHAT I MEAN.

When I say Jews are no more or less racist than other minority group, and that biases within the Jewish community are not indicators of whiteness anymore than those biases in the Indian community (which I just posted about btw!) are indicators of whiteness, THIS IS WHAT I MEAN.

My mother and father were both raised in white neighborhoods in Oakland and San Leandro, California, respectively.

My mother, whose father worked selling scrap metal from the junkyard, has a distinctly Jewish maiden name. There were a few other Jewish families on her street, but she also had neighbors who spewed slurs and threats at her and prohibited their children from so much as speaking to her. At school a classmate stated that “the Jews killed Jesus” and the teacher essentially allowed that statement to stand as fact for the rest of the classroom, making my mother and her friend, the only Jewish students in the room, feel unsafe. My mother also grew up very close with her second cousins (the daughters of her own mother’s first cousin). The eldest of those second cousins had been born in a Soviet Refugee camp after her parents had been liberated from Auschwitz and met in that Soviet camp. While the family members from whom I am directly descended came to the US to flee Soviet pogroms, that doesn’t mean I am untouched my the Shoah (the Holocaust).

My father’s experience was different. His surname (and mine) is unique, but also very French, due to his paternal grandfather being a goy. My grandfather was stilled raised Jewish and he and my grandmother raised my aunt and father in a Jewish home as well, but that surname, as well as some steps taken to fit in, kept my father’s family from being recognized as Jewish. This was important because in the 1960s, when my father was a small child, San Leandro was the kind of town where a black man driving in a car would be tailed by police until he crossed the city limit into Oakland (where he ostensibly “belonged”). It would not have been a good town to be openly Jewish in. That isn’t to say my grandparents didn’t use their passing privilege, however. My grandfather single-handedly assisted a fellow Navy veteran and his family become the first Black family to live on their street. He also struck a police officer who was choking a Black father at a school board meeting (my grandfather was a teacher and a school board member). My grandmother worked in and eventually managed the voter registration office for the county of Alameda and worked with Huey P. Newton and the Black Panthers to organize voter registration drives in Black communities. They brought my father and aunt to march with Cesar Chavez and Dolores Huerta during the farmworker strikes. My grandmother still doesn’t buy table grapes.

I spent my entire childhood as the only Jewish or only religiously Jewish student in my grade and one of only a handful in the school. I was harassed for my dietary restrictions and for not celebrating Christmas and Easter. I was actually required by my public school teachers to participate in annual Christmas activities. I was the target of antisemitic bullying from classmates from preschool through high school. I’ve had academic consequences because of my choice to observe the High Holy Days. I’ve been tricked into eating treif by peers who would never think of doing such a thing to a Muslim person (nor should they).

The year I became a Bat Mitzvah a swastika was graffitied on my synagogue. I saw literally uncountable swastikas drawn on and even carved into desks, walls, and playground equipment throughout my time in school and I never reported it because I knew nothing would be done.

I am fortunate that I didn’t face the same level of harassment as my older sisters did, more likely due to my asocial nature than anything else. My eldest sister was the target of the “how many Jews can you fit in a Volkwagen” joke on multiple occasions. I was only taunted for picking up my own dropped change once.

The fact that people immediately and permanently see me differently when they learn I am Jewish is evidence enough to me that I am not White. I have the privilege of my maternal ancestors having been raped by Cossacks enough to make my mother’s skin light, and the privilege of having one half-goyische grandparent. I will never be targeted for my skin. But I will still be target for an unchangeable part of myself.

Original post can be found here.

Gentiles are encouraged to read all the way through and reblog.

the dumbing down of nazism to the point where people think it’s represented by vague notions of general evil like “the dark side” in star wars is so fucking offensive i don’t know how to put it into coherent sentences 

if you think antisemitism and racism are such simplistic issues that every “evil” character represents an irl nazi and we can fix it all by symbolically blowing up a fictional death star full of them you honestly have no fucking business using those terms

so few people actually give a shit about jewish people enough to have spent 5 minutes reading about antisemitism to understand that it didn’t begin and end with hitler, to have any context whatsoever about our culture or history or current serious threats to both, but everyone thinks they have the right to throw these token phrases around to prove a point on frivolous shit like a movie about space wizards. because they saw inglourious basterds once 

sorry everyone, i forgot that being a shipper invalidates my voice about my own heritage lol my mistake 

“I’m against antisemitism except if it’s directed at shippers. In that case I’m feeling more meh about it :)”

Friendly reminder that when we Jewish shippers speak out about this we get called the k slur and told to go back to Israel so maybe shut the fuck up with that "antisemitism doesn't apply to Jewish shippers" horseshit thanks

what the fuck

For those is the back who dont understand.

White woman got a free mask,

Jewish man got a ticket,

And black man got beaten.

This is Amerikkka

Antis: Writing about dark subjects is so horrible, it makes you a terrible person. I don’t know how you could enjoy any of this, you sick freak.

Also antis: *writes a detailed paragraph on all the ways they want to scoop our eyes out with an ice cream scooper, bash in our kneecaps, steal our kidneys, break our teeth, dissolve our tongues in acid, for us to get raped, be tied to a tree to be pecked at by birds, and die in a ditch*

Pro shippers:

You know, sometimes I’m tempted to put the receipts onto this post. But, like, antis pretended we photoshop our receipts a few times, so I wonder if it’ll even be a wake-up call.

Ah, fuck it. One person waking up is enough. Let’s go. Not in chronological order of what I said. TW FOR GRAPHIC GRAPHIC GRAPHIC THREATS

Also bonus round for the skull crusher one.

I know the teeth one is around here somewhere! And same with the kidneys. But have other organs for now! Spleen and eyes and intestines should do. As well as a whole head! Wow!

BONUSSSSSS ROUUUUUND!

you missed a couple.

AH YES! thank you

And two more for posterity!

Antis: Writing about dark subjects is so horrible, it makes you a terrible person. I don’t know how you could enjoy any of this, you sick freak.

Also antis: *writes a detailed paragraph on all the ways they want to scoop our eyes out with an ice cream scooper, bash in our kneecaps, steal our kidneys, break our teeth, dissolve our tongues in acid, for us to get raped, be tied to a tree to be pecked at by birds, and die in a ditch*

Pro shippers:

You know, sometimes I’m tempted to put the receipts onto this post. But, like, antis pretended we photoshop our receipts a few times, so I wonder if it’ll even be a wake-up call.

Ah, fuck it. One person waking up is enough. Let’s go. Not in chronological order of what I said. TW FOR GRAPHIC GRAPHIC GRAPHIC THREATS

Also bonus round for the skull crusher one.

I know the teeth one is around here somewhere! And same with the kidneys. But have other organs for now! Spleen and eyes and intestines should do. As well as a whole head! Wow!

BONUSSSSSS ROUUUUUND!

you missed a couple.

AH YES! thank you

Yeah, there’s a reason for that.

It’s called: antisemitic caricature.

I don’t understand what’s Jewish about mother gothel… she has a typical Disney face doesn’t she? Is it the curly hair..? I mean her nose and everything else seem normal?

I’m sorry, I’m just trying to figure it out, you don’t have to answer if you don’t want to.

dark curly hair - long hooked nose - darker complexion than the blond blue eyed heroine 9and really the rest of the cast - portrayed as greedy and evil.

Lisa Edelstein is Jewish.  As are Idina Menzel and Amy Winehouse, both of whom I have seen compared in looks to Gothel.  Gothel’s design is a pretty clear caricature of ethnically Jewish women.  

This is a pretty good contrast between Rapunzel and Gothel.  Rapunzel has the “typical Disney face”:

Here’s a more close up look at her features.

The hooked nose becomes even more pronounced as she becomes “eviler.”

If you wanted to claim that there was noting out of the ordinary for Disney animation when it came to Gothel’s features, you would have to find at least one Disney princess or heroine with similar characteristics (long hooked nose and dark curly hair, etc).

But here is what we have is -

small noses that turn up at the end:

wide, flatter noses (though cheers to Disney for not putting button noses on their characters of color, although Esmerelda’s clothing design deserves another essay on Rromani stereotypes and there are some major issues with Pocahontas as well)

And then a few misc noses (again, props for Jasmine’s nose not being a button):

Apart from just the design of Gothel, there’s also the whole: “obviously ‘other’ (read Jewish) woman kidnaps the pretty blonde (read: gentile) kid to use her for ritualistic/magical purposes”

Like that right there on top of the aesthetic Jewish-coding is what pushed the antisemitic caricature over the top for me.  It harkens back to antisemitic blood libel that claimed that Jews stole gentile children for all manner of nefarious reasons. Even when Gothel is in “mother” role to Rapunzel, she’s is shown as nagging and passive aggressive, both antisemitic stereotypes of Jewish women.

There is no one thing that makes her an antisemitic caricature, but the design, plus the storyline she plays out, plus her characterization cement the overall character as antisemitic.  

Jew-coding a villain is not in itself always antisemitic when there are also Jewish coded heroes. Rapunzel does not have that.

Having a villain steal a baby for magical/ritualistic reasons is not always antisemitic as long as the villain is not Jew-coded.  Rapunzel fails this as well.

Having a nagging and passive aggressive mother character is not antisemitic provided that she is not, again, coded as Jewish.  Rapunzel fails once again.

Hope this helps.

EDIT: @ariminak pointed out that some of my wording made it sound like Gothel’s features only stereotypically caricatured Ashkenazi women when in fact that is not the case.  I changed the language to remove that phrasing and make it clear that any ethnically Jewish women can be affected by this type of aesthetic trope. If you reblogged the old version, could you please delete it and reblog this one instead.

Spread this version so people recognize that this stuff harms all Jewish women.

Remember that before the Holocaust, there were 16 million Jews in the world. They killed more than a third of us.

Remember that pre-war Eastern Europe was a major center of world Jewry, and it had a thriving Jewish society with Yiddish theater, poetry, literature, art, and political activism. An entire society was destroyed.

Remember that before the war, a third of Warsaw’s population was Jewish. The vast majority of those Jewish residents were murdered.

Remember that Salonika (Thessaloniki) was a city in Greece that had a Jewish majority for hundreds of years. It used to be known as Sabatopolis – the Shabbat city – because before electric light, ships going by on Friday night would see a dark shoreline because the residents could not light lights. In the 16th century, it was known as the “mother of Israel” and was a center of Jewish life where Eastern European Jews would come to visit and study. Fewer than 1800 Jews from Salonika survived the Holocaust.

Remember that in Krakow, what used to be the Jewish quarter is now a tourist trap for the groups who come to look at what once was. The Jewish community owns several beautiful synagogues but only regularly uses one because there are so few Jews left. Without the tour groups who regularly pray with them, they would have trouble getting a quorum of ten men by the beginning of the Shabbat service. The other synagogues are museums now.

Remember what we lost.

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I used to tolerate people boosting/expressing people posting anti viewpoints, because if you’re not familiar with the discourse around all of this then their faux-wokeness and use of progressive-sounding buzzwords can be sort of deceptively persuasive (sort of similar to other reactionary communities like TERFs and ace exclusionists, and yes, it’s also the same reason why conservatives are so fond of calling people pedophiles in the same way that antis do!). I mean, hell, when I first came across anti discourse I made the mistake of taking their talking points in good faith and was fairly convinced myself.

But, honestly, in wake of this new, sickening situation with what’s been happening to that fish blog (of all places) and the numerous atrocities I’ve seen these demons pull off over the past few years I think it’s about time we starting being fucking explicit and warning people about this stuff before it goes any further. As silly as it is that we have to have this discussion in relation to fandom discourse of all things, the vile rhetoric that has become simply normalized in certain communities is leading to actual real people’s lives being at risk, and unlike the immature bastards perpetuating this nonsense I actually care about that.

Here’s a cheap rundown:

The anti “movement”, group, community, whatever you want to refer to it as, is literally nothing more than a jumbled hodgepodge of the above ideas bound together by immaturity, in-group/out-group dynamics and the thrill that unsavoury people find in having designated target to bully (there’s a reason why these folks get violent so fast, folks!). This isn’t even to touch on how their abuse is usually specifically weaponized against the neurodiverse, queer people, woman, and other marginalized groups.

Antis are not just people who don’t know any better (although they often are that), but they are actively dangerous, toxic individuals, and their community is a breeding ground for abuse tendencies. If fandom is to avoid withstanding much more of this sort of thing then we need to start actively calling out these behaviours when we see them before our communities become defined by this sort of reactionary hand-wringing in what is supposed to be this cultivated progressive and transgressive environment.

(n.b. if you are here to leave a snide comment beneath this because you’re a righteous anti who is against the “evil freaks” who are interested in dark fiction then you can do so and swiftly fuck off).

I’ve seen a lot of fans of colors, especially black fans, being called antis ever since TFA came out because of their criticism of the racism of the reylo fandom which the fandom attributed to attack on the abusive nature of reylo instead of attack on their own racism against finn or finnrey, so seeing this post calling antis demons and pretending that the whole anti discourse is only about sex or dark topics and erasing the racism is kind of … yikes

and for the record i’m not an anti or an anti-anti or whatever, i think both sides tend to be disingenuous so i don’t agree completely with either but i’ve seen the discourse evolve over the last few years and it’s really bothering me how the racism that is at the root of the problem/discourse keep getting ignored

You know whenever finnreys come out like UWU Reylos are all racist and our hatred was justified and we shouldn’t be called antis yadda yadda I remember every single time y’all stalked POC Reylos and especially Black and Jewish Reylos for daring to exist. I don’t have every receipt saved because that would be ridiculous; but here are some I saved as for why y’all are called antis.

It’s not cus you were fighting racism that you got called an anti. It’s cus you didn’t have a single thing to say about any of this and pretended like racism/harassment we experienced didn’t count even if we were POC. Oh and you also used anti talking points in places it didn’t count. Like that UWU Reylo is Pedophilia is dumb and anyone who reblogged that should be ashamed.

@skiplo-wave @notbythehairofmyfinnyfinnfinn

Could y’all add if you have anything saved? I really don’t like how anti Reylos are pushing the narrative that they were unfairly labeled because they were just fighting racism in fandom. If it was about racism in fandom, the stuff I remember happening to y’all wouldn’t of happened.

…ok so unlike what you seem to be doing i’m not talking as a finnrey or in behalf of finnrey shippers or whatever. I’m not a Finnrey either I don’t call myself by a ship name … and as far as i know no one ever called me an anti because i literally wasn’t an entity in all this. I casually shipped that ship and finnpoe when TFA came out and was outside of this whole discourse but followed/reblogged a lot of fans of colors because what attracted me to star wars was Finn and having characters of colors as main characters in such a big franchise

I saw a lot of racists posts about Finn crossing my dash back then and pretty much until TLJ came out. The majority of those posts where from people who shipped reylo

Fans of Finn (not just finnreys) wrote posts after posts about the racism inherent in how Finn was treated in the Star Wars fandom - racism that included Reylo being pushed as a ship that needed to be canon over Finnrey

Now i don’t think just shipping Reylo in itself would be bad if things were completely devoid of context. But in the context of the massive amounts of racists posts about Finn ? Prioritizing this white ship (or stuff like Kylo/hux or whatever the name is) over any ship containing the lead characters of colors is suspicious. Like I don’t really care if someone quietly ship Reylo and read Reylo fics in their free time or whatever, idc if the fic is explicitly abusive or dark and I don’t think the ship is pedophilia either (and i’ve never seen that post that claimed it is -or the other post here for that matter- but what i’ve seen is people pointing out how hypocritical it was for Reylos to criticize the age gap between Finn and Rey when Kylo was 30 and they were pretending Kylo was like 20 …, anyway), my problem is with the many people who actually made (and still make) racist posts about Reylo obviously being canon because mysteriously it makes more sense that this white ship between a villain and a hero will happen over an interracial one between two heroes and leads of the movies, or that Finn taking Rey hand ‘without her permission’ is ABUSE and he’s an horrible dirty abuser while in the same movie Kylo Ren literally tortures Rey but with those two it’s romantic, or any number of racist arguments to erase Finn out of the picture and put a white man in his place that were made by Reylo shippers. And I’m not going to give the benefit of the doubt to other people pushing Reylos because of this because there’s a difference between just shipping something casually and actually like campaigning over it … People calling other fans anti ? They obviously cross the casual line, and I’m going to wonder why they’re so ardent over shipping the only two white characters

Now I’ve legit seen Finn fans who were and are still called antis who lowkey/jokingly ship Finn and Kylo Ren ! And i saw finn fans making post about finn and kylo ren making more sense as a ship or focus because they’re narrative foil so this idea that those people were harassing Reylos for free instead of pointing out racism in the fandom of a very white ship is dubious to me. I’m not saying there wasn’t harassment (which i don’t endorse and don’t participate in btw, i said nothing about hatred being justified), but harassment in fandom happens from every directions and that doesn’t prove that there wasn’t racism and that those Star Wars and Finn fans of colors weren’t fighting racism

And I notice that you’re not making a peep about the majorly white rest of the Reylo fandom being racist and harassing people … Quickly bypassing that by redirecting any rightful accusation of racism by pointing out that the other side is bad too doesn’t actually refute the fact that the reylo fandom was and still is racist

And most fandoms are racist af. It’s a fact. SW fandom ESPECIALLY. Against Finn even more. Trying to deny it and pretend there wasn’t racism at the root of the whole shipping/characters discourse over TFA that spawned the word anti is honestly ridiculous and obviously false. There’s no denying that some ship choices or what characters fandom like the most are influenced by bias and prejudices like racism (or sexism), and Reylo and Kylo Ren is definitely one of those cases.

anyway this is why i usually ignore those type of posts or discourses, i can see that it was useless trying to start a discussion about racism in fandom as always, i’m already regretting it. i’ve said what i said and what i needed to say after the amount of racism i’ve seen from the SW fandom and honestly it was bothering me not to say anything but now I don’t see that it’s gonna be productive and I’ve said what i had to say so *shrug*, i’m done

I like how you managed to ignore all the receipts where people are throwing actual racial slurs at people in favor of UWU Reylo is abuse.

As a POC Reylo who became a fan during TFA I know the actual history and not the sanitized anti friendly version you like to spread around. I know you’ve promised to block me if I don’t do anything; but agree with you (because listening to POC only counts if they ship FinnRey) so I’m very much looking forward to never hearing your revisionist garbage in defense of your sides racist bullshit ever again.

Y’all are the fandom equivalent of PETA. Great Tagline, racism is bad (animal abuse is bad); but horrible execution and activism. Everyone hates PETA, not because they hate the tagline that animal abuse is bad; but everyone hates the headlines of kidnapping dogs and killing kittens in their shelters. Your activism defines you and the receipts above are what defines the people you are defending, if they didn’t want this to define them then they should’ve pushed out the bad fans and worked on anti fandom racism with POC Reylos instead of harassing us for being “race traitors” over a Star Wars ship.

Second, the whole UWU it’s Reylos fault Finn wasn’t popular. In the beginning FinnRey may not have been as popular as Reylo because in general an enemies to lover ship is a popular ship dynamic. It’s Zutara vs Katang. While for some it might have been the color of his skin and that sucks but the actual reason was the ship dynamic that won.

Third, the other reason why FinnRey lost in popularity is because Anti Reylos gate kept the ship. Multishippers are a thing and y’all made damn sure they couldn’t be content creators, write meta, or participate in the Finn side of the fandom. Yall told Reylos they couldn’t reblog any of their posts and harassed them with racial slurs and death threats until they mostly stopped making content featuring Finn. With less content creators and a fandom known for its toxic fans of course you are gonna have less content. Reylos, while having their drama were more accepting of other shippers and therefore more popular. Hell I only reblog Finn content from other Reylos because I don’t want to be harassed again by you demons. That might be the actual reason y’all saw less and less Finn content from us.

Fourth, you don’t get fandoms do you. If you ship something it means you like something. You are excited by it and want to talk about it. You create meta and talk about what it would be like to be canon and how there are signs if you see it. Telling people they should be quiet and ship quietly in the corner is never gonna fly in any fandom.

Finally, While obviously racism is a thing in every fandom that isn’t actually what defined the ship despite what you keep saying and what every single one of you keep trying to push. Y’all decided it was popular because evil white girls and ran with that. I saw so so so many passive aggressive and some just straight up nasty posts being crosstagged in the Reylo tag to shame them for liking the ship. Y’all used UWU it’s racism as a tool to fight a ship war and then bashed on POC who spoke out against you.

If it was about being against racism then the shit above would have never happened.

If it was about listening to POC, my voice and countless others would have counted too.

If it was about being against abuse than you wouldn’t have acted like abusers and harassed people with so much disgusting vitriol.

ok im gonna say it. people on this site are so quick to call jewish men ugly its ridiculous. and then you get called on it and you’re all like oh but i didnt know he was jewish like that makes it any better.. maybe examine WHY you think jewish features are ugly and then talk to me

you guys im serious examine your biases against big noses and curly dark hair PLEASE.. even if you dont initially recognize something as a jewish feature (like the very specific eye shape that we have & that gets called sleepy eyes by antisemites like tr*mp) you need to recognize that its not okay to dismiss jewish ppl when they call you out

That…sounds like Snape? Which is especially horrifying given that people call him “ugly” when like????? He’s not??? He’s a sad man who cannot for the life of him find the right hair product, but he isnt ugly and anyone who says he is can fucking fight me.

Big noses and dark curly hair are lovely, fuck anyone who says otherwise

h. hes goyishe. hes not jewish coded. his nose isnt hooked he doesnt have any jewish features i have no idea what youre on about

the stan response is weird and off the point but jewish readers have pointed out how weirdly snape is characterized, especially physically, for as long as the harry potter books have been around. just because you don’t know any of them doesn’t make that analysis crazy especially considering jkr’s more general continuing antisemitism

“Reys connection to Kylo Ren is really the heart of the emotional story of the movie” —JJ

Yeah in the sense that her growth of understanding that he’s a neo-nazi and an abuser is what’s caused her to learn, change and grow as a character. Stop advocating for abusive relationships - stop trying to justify abusive relationships.

stay mad about it

Lol your response to “Stop advocating for abusive relationships - stop trying to justify abusive relationships.” is a smug gif and the words “Stay Mad About It” and I feel like that says everything anyone needs to know about why Reylos are all just, vile human beings.

stan reylo for clear skin

Stan Reylo to demonstrate that you don’t know what Rape Culture is.

evidently you’re the one who doesn’t understand rape culture

anywayyyyys stan REYLO for clear skin ✨✨

Hi I’m a Jewish survivor of abuse and sexual assault, and if y’all could stop with your “uwu he’s a Nazi” and your “uwu if you like reylo you normalize abuse” that would be fucking great?

Kylo isn’t a Nazi (though in my experience y’all assholes have NO problem calling us Jewish shippers slurs and telling us to get gassed)- Nazis are a very specific thing, and neither Kylo nor the First Order are Nazis, and my experienced with rape, assault, and abuse are in no way equitable to fucking  fictional events. 

And it is disrespectful as SHIT that y’all antis like to sit on your computers and claim to care so much about survivors and claim to hate Nazis so much, but y’all are the FIRST to throw slurs around and shit on real live actual Jews and survivors when we don’t behave in the way that you think we should and when you cannot fucking tokenize us. 

If your response to a survivor/a Jew/ any minority liking a different fucking fictional thing than you is to call us liars, say that we weren’t really assaulted, to call us kikes and Nazi-apologists and say that we ourselves are abusers for LIKING SOMETHING IN FICTION HOLY FUCK, then you are not only an asshole, you’re also being antisemitic as fuck and you need to stop. 

Seriously, please stop calling me, a person of Jewish descent, and other folks Nazis because we like Kylo Ren as a character. This is especially relevant now the new Star Wars movie has arrived.

Stop it. It's not woke. It's patronising as shit.