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Who is more foolish? The fool, or the fool who follows him?
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Re-watching the clone wars series is a religious experiance because Obi Wan Kenobi is really That Bitch and it's pretty funny in hindsight.

Anakin is supposed to be the wild one yet this man flirts his way into everything, disobeys jedi orders/rules, gets the shit kicked out of him at least once per arc, then leaves with a sassy remark or pun that angers literally everyone in the vicinity.

Everyone in the galaxy knows his name and is either painfully in love, hates his guts or both. It's a miracle he got as far as he did.

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Currently thinking about season six of TCW when the Council found out Dooku was the one who actually called for the clones to be made.

You’d think they’d be like, “hey, if the guy in charge of the opposing army in this galactic war made sure we had an entire army to fight him, maybe we should look into those chips that one trooper was talking about cause that could definitely be a problem.”

Instead they went, “cover up this discovery we must. No can know…”

They didn’t need to tell anyone cause if Palps had found out that they knew, it could’ve been bad, but they could’ve looked more into it.

It bothers me that they were so caught up in the war effort and obeying the Senate’s every wish and command that they didn’t stop to think and come up with the obvious potential outcome that could occur from the enemy (a Sith at that) giving the Republic an army made of clones -with confirmed chips in their heads- in a war that the peacekeepers were specifically told to fight in…

(Sorry for kinda hijacking your post - I hope you don’t mind me answering, it’s just a very interesting issue and I really love exploring the reasoning behind the Council’s decisions.)

The thing is, they actually explain why they don’t tell anyone about it, and it has nothing to do with no thinking things through. 

MACE: If this was known, public confidence in the war effort, the Jedi and the Republic would vanish. There would be mass chaos. YODA: Cover up this discovery we must. No one, not even the Chancellor, may know.

So this is them going against the Senate, interestingly enough. And what’s more important here is the reason Mace gives for not telling anyone. It would, without question, bring everything crashing down. They’d have not one but two civil wars to deal with. 

Many people would take to the streets and attack the Jedi and their soldiers alike. In s5 (so months, if not a year before) there are already people protesting against the war and going as far as perpetrating violent acts of terrorism, and the protestors have anti-Clones signs.

The signs say “stop cloning violence” and “the Jedi are corrupt.” (see Wookieepedia - https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Anti-Jedi_sentiment). 

Not free the Clones or end the war or start peace talks. Civilians don’t see the Clones as people, they see them as “violence.” As the problem. The thing is, the Council members are always shown to care a lot about their troops. (Mace, the Council, the whole Order)

Letting out something as big as Dooku’s involvement in the GAR’s creation would essentially throw the Clones under the speeder that’s not something they’re willing to do.

Yoda: Valiant men the Clones have proven to be. Saved my life and yours they have many times. Believe in them we must.

And as for looking more into the chips… Well as you said they’re “too caught up in the war effort.” But… It’s not like they want to be. They don’t exactly have a choice. How are they supposed to be “less caught up” in the war they’re leading? Do they abandon their troops for a while to go look into an incident that was declared closed by the Kaminoans and the Chancellor? 

How do they do that without letting it slip that it’s because they’re concerned Dooku will use the Clones against the Republic? You’d have to have a valid reason for opening up a closed investigation, and they can’t say what is it they’re worried about, as demonstrated. And a hidden investigation? The Kaminoans probably tightened up their security measures since Fives, and they’d have never let the Jedi try snooping around a second time.

And Palpatine has the authority to tell the Council to stop doing non-war related stuff; like when he orders Obi-Wan to stop looking for Maul right after Maul killed a member of the Council, so again, how would the Jedi look into the chips? 

Actually, why would even they think about the chips? From their perspective two Clones went insane because of a parasite that messed with their brains. It’s easy for us to make the connection, but it happened once in the war, to two Clones (that the Council didn’t know personally) out of an army of millions that have repeatedly proven themselves trustworthy, and it was months prior to Obi-Wan and Anakin’s discovery. The Council probably barely remembers the whole thing, and they have no reason to believe there even exists a device capable of taking away their men’s free will. The Kaminoans told them the chips made the Clones “less aggressive” - except the Jedi have never witnessed the Clones getting incapacitated by their own brains for getting angry or violent. Like, Slick killed other Clones and the chip did nothing. Dogma killed Krell without hindrance. The Jedi probably thought the “biological chips” were something that reduced the level of testosterone the Clones naturally produce, or something of that effect. 

“It bothers me that they were so caught up in the war effort […] that they didn’t stop to think and come up with the obvious potential outcome that could occur from the enemy (a Sith at that) giving the Republic an army made of clones -with confirmed chips in their heads- in a war that the peacekeepers were specifically told to fight in…” - op

Except the Council does think about what the obvious potential outcome is. 

YODA: Know now we do, that guide the creation of the clones from the beginning, Dooku did. Hmm. Our enemy created an army for us. […] YODA: Valiant men, the clones have proven to be. Saved my life and yours they have many times. Believe in them we must, win the war swiftly we must, before our enemy’s designs reach completion, whatever they may be. MACE: Are you sure we are taking the right path? YODA: (SIGHS) The right path, no. The only path, yes. Designed by the Dark Lord of the Sith, this web is. For now, play his game we must.
OBI-WAN: Darth Sidious is the Sith Lord who orchestrated the Clone Wars and played both sides of it from the beginning.
MACE: I sense a plot to destroy the Jedi.
ANAKIN: The Chancellor is a Sith Lord. […] MACE: Then our worst fears have been realized. We must move quickly if the Order is to survive. 

It’s not that they don’t stop to think about the implications. They know the implications, they know the Sith have a “design.” They know the Clones were probably meant to be used against them (except they trust them so much they decide not to act on it *sniffle*). They know they’re in danger. They know the end goal is probably the annihilation of the Jedi.

But they don’t see a way out of it. It’s not that they don’t see or wilfully ignore the warning signs, it’s that they don’t know what to do except wait. 

And they can’t let anyone know that they’ve uncovered a little bit of the Sith’s plan because that’s what OpSec is. They have no way of investigating without the Sith knowing they’re onto him, so they don’t, because if they did maybe the Sith would enact his plan sooner. 

They’re playing chess blindfolded and their opponent has been making moves since before they even knew about the game. I get feeling frustrated that the Council didn’t act on those revelations, because we know what’s coming and we’re desperate for anything to prevent it, but they were frustrated too, and their hands were tied. 

And like… “if the people being maneuvered into a fake war designed to end in their genocide had realized it was leading to their genocide, then maybe they wouldn’t have gotten genocided.” … Yeah. But consider the much simpler: “if Palpatine hadn’t been Satan incarnate and hadn’t delighted in the suffering of billions and the slaughter of children and hadn’t spent decades crafting the perfect trap and had left the Jedi alone, then they also wouldn’t have gotten genocided.”

I’m against the implication that Order 66 and the slaughter of the Jedi was on anyone but Palpatine and his underlings.

I love literally everything you just said. They truly didn’t have any options open to them and their downfall was inevitable. From what I know, Palpatine had everything planned out so detailed and he was obviously very good at hiding his intentions that it would’ve been nearly impossible to figure out what was going to happen in the coming years.

The main thing about the whole ordeal is that we never heard anything else concerning the subject of the GAR originally being commissioned by Dooku after this episode ended. I get that The Clone Wars were canceled years ago before the comeback, and there were episodes that weren’t released, but it seemed as though the entire thing never happened.

While I truly believe that the Council and Jedi as a whole had some issues, mostly because this war started so abruptly after a millennia of peace and the dark side was clouding the Force by the time Palpatine’s plans started to really roll, what happened really wasn’t their fault and I shouldn’t be blaming them for something that was so meticulously planned out for who knows how long.

Even if they did somehow figure it all out, the Jedi were vastly outnumbered, so by the time they could have possibly come up with a way to get the chips out in such a vast number, Palps could just call Order 66 and have his empire quicker.

And the fact that the clones had no clue that they were going to be used the way they were was truly devastating. Especially since the only one to figure it all out was hysterical (and rightfully so) from the revelation. And so no one believed him which lead to his death (I lowkey had tears in my eyes when that whole scene happened.)

If I’m being honest, I’m just sad that everything ended the way it did and I keep rewatching the prequels picking out parts that had something gone slightly different, the whole game could’ve changed.

In the end though as we all know, Palps came out on top for the next two decades and pretty much ruined everyone’s lives. As you said before, in a perfect world they would have figured everything out and they’d be living and happily ever after, but sadly that did not happen.

I really appreciate that someone took the time to put their view into this because you made amazing points that I had completely missed. You “hijacking” the post really made me think about certain things. For one, we saw in both the Martez Sisters’ Arc and back in season five that people were getting sick of the war, and most blamed the Jedi. The council was definitely trapped when it came to their next steps, and sneaking around peoples’ backs most certainly isn’t something they’d really even consider, war or not. And again, Fives’ reaction would’ve made the long necks excuse of the chips making the clones “less aggressive” seem feasible; added onto the fact that Tup’s chip was the only one out of over a million to malfunction, so once that case seemed to be over and done with, it would’ve been more of an afterthought to most.

Again! I am truly grateful someone added what they had to say to this cause just holding onto one view as fact and not being open to others can lead to ignorance and as the Jedi Code states, “There is no ignorance, there is knowledge.” I hope you have an amazing day!!

Thank you for replying! I’m glad you appreciated my answer.

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Star Wars: The Clone Wars  Chronological Order

Star Wars: The Clone Wars (Note: S7 E09 - S7 E12 take place at the same time as Episode III: Revenge of the Sith)

22 BBY:

  • S2 E16 Cat and Mouse
  • S1 E16 The Hidden Enemy
  • MOVIE Star Wars: The Clone Wars
  • S3 E01 Clone Cadets
  • S3 E03 Supply Lines
  • S1 E01 Ambush
  • S1 E02 Rising Malevolence
  • S1 E 03 Shadow of Malevolence
  • S1 E04 Destroy Malevolence
  • S1 E05 Rookies
  • S1 E06 Downfall of a Droid
  • S1 E07 Duel of the Droids
  • S1 E08 Bombad Jedi

21 BBY:

  • S1 E09 Cloak of Darkness
  • S1 E10 Lair of Grievous
  • S1 E11 Dooku Captured
  • S1 E12 The Gungan General
  • S1 E13 Jedi Crash
  • S1 E14 Defenders of Peace
  • S1 E15 Trespass
  • S1 E17 Blue Shadow Virus
  • S1 E18 Mystery of the Thousand Moons
  • S1 E19 Storm over Ryloth
  • S1 E20 Innocents of Ryloth
  • S1 E21 Liberty on Ryloth
  • S2 E01 Holocron Heist
  • S2 E02 Cargo of Doom
  • S2 E03 Children of the Force
  • S2 E17 Bounty Hunters
  • S2 E18 The Zilo Beast
  • S2 E19 The Zilo Beast Strikes Back
  • S2 E04 Senate Spy
  • S2 E05 Landing at Point Rain
  • S2 E06 Weapons Factory
  • S2 E07 Legacy of Terror
  • S2 E08 Brain Invaders
  • S2 E09 Grievous Intrigue
  • S2 E10 The Deserter
  • S2 E11 Lightsaber Lost
  • S2 E12 The Mandalore Plot
  • S2 E13 Voyage of Temptation
  • S2 E14 Duchess of Mandalore
  • S2 E20 Death Trap
  • S2 E21 R2 Come Home
  • S2 E22 Lethal Trackdown
  • S3 E05 Corruption
  • S3 E06 The Academy
  • S3 E07 Assassin
  • S3 E02 ARC Troopers
  • S3 E04 Sphere of Influence
  • S3 E08 Evil Plans
  • S1 E22 Hostage Crisis
  • S3 E09 Hunt for Ziro
  • S3 E10 Heroes on Both Sides

20 BBY:

  • S3 E11 Pursuit of Peace
  • S2 E15 Senate Murders
  • S2 E12 Nightsisters
  • S3 E13 Monster
  • S3 E14 Witches of the Mist
  • S3 E15 Overlords
  • S3 E16 Altar of Mortis
  • S3 E17 Ghosts of Mortis
  • S3 E18 The Citadel
  • S3 E19 Counterattack
  • S3 E20 Citadel Rescue
  • S3 E21 Padawan Lost
  • S3 E22 Wookiee Hunt
  • S4 E01 Water War
  • S4 E02 Gungan Attack
  • S4 E03 Prisoners
  • S4 E04 Shadow Warrior
  • S4 E05 Mercy Mission
  • S4 E06 Nomad Droids
  • S4 E07 Darkness on Umbara
  • S4 E08 The General
  • S4 E09 Plan of Dissent
  • S4 E10 Carnage of Krell
  • S4 E11 Kidnapped
  • S4 E12 Slaves of the Republic
  • S4 E13 Escape from Kadavo
  • S4 E14 A Friend in Need
  • S4 E15 Deception
  • S4 E16 Friends and Enemies
  • S4 E17 The Box
  • S4 E18 Crisis on Naboo
  • S4 E19 Massacre
  • S4 E20 Bounty
  • S4 E21 Brothers
  • S4 E22 Revenge

19 BBY:

  • S5 E02 A War on Two Fronts
  • S5 E03 Front Runners
  • S5 E04 The Soft War
  • S5 E05 Tipping Points
  • S5 E06 The Gathering
  • S5 E07 A Test of Strength
  • S5 E08 Bound for Rescue
  • S5 E09 A Necessary Bond
  • S5 E10 Secret Weapons
  • S5 E11 A Sunny Day in the Void
  • S5 E12 Missing in Action
  • S5 E13 Point of No Return
  • S5 E01 Revival
  • S5 E14 Eminence
  • S5 E15 Shades of Reason
  • S5 E16 The Lawless
  • S5 E17 Sabotage
  • S5 E18 The Jedi Who Knew Too Much
  • S5 E19 To Catch a Jedi
  • S5 E20 The Wrong Jedi
  • S6 E01 The Unknown
  • S6 E02 Conspiracy
  • S6 E03 Fugitive
  • S6 E04 Orders
  • S6 E05 An Old Friend
  • S6 E06 The Rise of Clovis
  • S6 E07 Crisis at the Heart
  • S6 E08 The Disappeared: Part 1
  • S6 E09 The Disappeared: Part 2
  • S6 E10 The Lost One
  • S6 E11 Voices
  • S6 E12 Destiny
  • S6 E13 Sacrifice
  • S7 E05 Gone with a Trace
  • S7 E06 Deal No Deal
  • S7 E07 Dangerous Debt
  • S7 E08 Together Again
  • S7 E01 The Bad Batch
  • S7 E02 A Distant Echo
  • S7 E03 On the Wings of Keeradaks
  • S7 E04 Unfinished Business

19 BBY (Concurrent with Episode III: Revenge of the Sith):

  • S7 E09 Old Friends Not Forgotten
  • S7 E10 The Phantom Apprentice
  • S7 E11 Shattered
  • S7 E12 Victory and Death
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animalgirl05

This show is all over the place 😭 but I love it

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