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she/her A blog dedicated to overanalyzing TVDU, but mostly the Mikaelsons, mostly Elijah Mikaelson I post pictures, gifs, updates on my fics, and my opinions on the show.
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Anonymous asked:

What filler episode type of storylines and/or scenes would you have liked to see on TO?

Some of my favorite episodes are the Christmas episodes because, while they still have chaos in them, they also just give the Mikaelsons time to be a family.

They created a whole show to be based off a miracle baby and then we hardly got to see them raise this baby. I would have loved to see more holiday episodes. We didn't get to see any of Hope's first anythings. She just kind of grew up off screen.

I would have also loved just a couple of cute romantic episodes. The closest we get is Freelin's wedding and I couldn't even enjoy it since Hayley had literally just died.

I loved Elijah and Marcel bonding and would have loved to see more of their relationship, instead of the show tanking that. Or more of Rebekah learning about what she wanted in life. More of Hayley actually being an alpha.

Obviously just more haylijah. I don't even believe we see the first "I love you." I find it hard to believe they waited until Season 4. I would have loved to see more scenes of Hayley actually getting to feel her emotions in Season 2 and 3, rather than just pushing her into things.

Also would have loved more flashbacks. I wanted to see how the Strix were founded. Or Kol working with witches. Rebekah discovering she wanted to be a mother. Just anything to flesh out the characters more.

The show just really could have slowed down slightly and let emotions land. I felt like a lot of big moments fell flat because the characters didn't even get a chance to feel their emotions. They just shoved them down and moved onto the next thing.

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you had said a few times in your metas that Elijah taking after Dahlia than his parents was something that made Esther (and by extension Mikael) awkward and more distant with him. but why did it never extended to Kol?

Wouldn't his preference for witchcraft, especially the dark arts, mischievous, cunning and outgoing traits make him more comparable to Dahlia, than say Elijah's warmer and paternal nature?

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To me, it's the immediacy of it.

Elijah was born mere months after Dahlia took Freya away. The pain was still fresh for Esther. And then instead of the golden haired daughter, she got a dark haired boy who was calm and quiet, much like Dahlia. She hadn't even gotten the chance to mourn her daughter when they moved to an unknown land with unknown people and she had Elijah quickly after. Kol wasn't born for years after that. And he was born after Klaus, which, in Esther's own words, healed their family.

Esther was in a much better mental place when she had Kol. She had Klaus and Ansel and had settled into her place in the new world.

I also think Finn and Kol's hair darkened as they got older, just based on these two photos up top. Elijah appears to be the only one that grew up with that dark hair. Kol's hair as a kid was still brown, but not as dark.

But to your point about personality, I think Elijah reminded Esther more of Dahlia than Kol did. From what we can see, Dahlia was a parental figure to Esther, just as Elijah was to his siblings. Dahlia wasn't wild and reckless like Kol. Rather, she was willing to do anything for family and loyal to a fault. Kol is a lot more free-spirited and thrill seeking, while Dahlia didn't like that in Esther. Kol likely reminded Esther of a younger version of herself, while Elijah was the younger version of Dahlia.

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Anonymous asked:

How would you describe klaus’ ideal type?

(Ans: himself) JKJK

lmao, you nailed it.

I think there's also a weird dynamic of women who look like his mother/sister. But I think that's just funny more than true.

While I do think he tends to be attracted to a lot of characteristics in himself, I think he also tends to find people who balance him out.

He tends to be attracted to people with parental trauma like him, or at the very least familial trauma. That's the biggest way Klaus knows how to relate to a person, through his own trauma since it is the forefront of his character. I thought it was funny that Aurora wanted to make Cami seem broken so that Klaus would be less into her when in reality, I think it made him love her more. Klaus needed those he was attracted to to be at least a little broken.

All of the characters we see Klaus attracted to are stubborn and strong-willed. He enjoys the chase, but also when people are obsessed with him. He likes intelligent people who can challenge him. But his ideal is someone who is overly compassionate and can tolerate his bs.

A big ideal is someone who cares for his family. While Klaus doesn't show it in the best ways, he does love his family and wants someone who does as well. We saw how quickly he turned on Aurora when she betrayed Rebekah.

He also needs someone who is more calm then he is and with less of a temper. Two hot headed characters tend to burn out fast and quick.

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Anonymous asked:

How long do you think Hayley and Jackson would have lasted had he not died?

It's hard to say since the writers kind of changed Hayley a lot to accommodate Jackson.

A lot of their marital problems came from them just not knowing each other. They knew each other for less than six months before Hayley died and lost Hope and Jackson ran off to the woods. They didn't see each other for about six months. Then Jackson comes back and they get married within a month. We see Jackson wanting Hayley to put the pack first and abandon her connections to the Mikaelsons, while Hayley wants Jackson to live in the Quarter and help raise a Mikaelson. They also both went into the unifications with different intents. While Hayley does say she did it for herself, we know that's not entirely true. She never would have done it if not for Hope and the pack.

I think that is the fundamental issue with their marriage. To Hayley, it was a political alliance that could grow into more. To Jackson, he was already in love with a version of Hayley he had in his head. Hayley could never live up to the idea of Andrea and Hayley was already in love with another man so she couldn't fully love Jackson the way he wanted.

I do appreciate that Jackson begins to see his fault in the marriage right before his death. Before that, he would just give Hayley ultimatums and not admit any of the fault in their problems. It was up to Hayley to bend and change to make the marriage work. We see a bit of change in Jackson in the Christmas episode. I think Jackson may have been able to keep this up, but it didn't actually resolve anything. They never actually discussed their issues or resolved any of them.

All of this to say, I don't think they would have lasted much longer. For one, Jackson's death felt inevitable in the show. As I said in an earlier post, the writers viewed the werewolves as disposable. But had he not died, I can't see Hayley putting up with it for much longer. They softened her out a lot to fit with Jackson. The Hayley that stood up to Elijah in their relationship and demanded what she needed would not have tolerated Jackson forcing her to choose between family and pack. I don't think Jackson would ever have really let it go. They probably would have been together for a few more months. Jackson fleeing to the bayou whenever he got upset. But this would have worn on Hayley. Neither of them were actually happy together.

I also don't buy that they had to be together for the unification to work. Only that they had to be co-alphas. Jackson walked out multiple times and left for weeks at a time. So they were not living together as husband and wife. They could have separated and kept their pack. I also think if Jackson stepped down, the pack could maintain their power from following Hayley as an alpha. It is her pack and her powers after all.

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the mechanics of killing klaus/the hollow in s5 are nonsense. ignoring the white oak stake they pulled out of their ass, in s4 Davina says that only Labonairs can harm the Hollow (ie Hayley and Hope) and whenever a body the Hollow possesses dies, she just body hops. so in s5 Klaus staking himself made no sense. If we follow logic, the Hollow would just find a new body. The only way this could've made logistical sense to me was either

  1. Hayley takes the Hollow and dies for Hope
  2. Hope is the one to stake Klaus if Hayley's still dead in this s5

In situation 2, a Labonair is still the one to kill the Hollow/it's host which follows s4 rules.

you know what, i wish option 2 had happened

also sidetone on the mechanics of Klaus dying, why pull the white oak stake out of your ass when Marcel's venom is still around. Just say Klaus has a vial he keeps around for nefarious purposes. that would make sense and wouldn't make me want to bang my head against a wall

sorry for this, i was watching Friendly Space Ninja's video on TO and he mentioned the Labonair stuff and how Klaus' death didn't make sense.

whoever wrote how they killed Klaus was an idiot and forgot several bits of lore.

also, i finished the Great War and man i loved it! Cami marrying Klaus to link herself to him? genius. i didnt see Jackson and Hayley divorcing and the scene where she asks Klaus to compel her feelings for Elijah away genuinely made me emotional (and also want to strangle Jackson). Rebekah and baby Henry was unexpected yet delightful. yay for Freelin not having a cursed beginning (why does this universe love giving weird/messy couples happy endings but not the healthy ones). very excited for the sequel.

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First of all, thank you for reading TGW! I love hearing feedback and I'm so glad you've enjoyed it. I really wanted to give the characters more closure and happier (if not just as angsty) storylines. I can't wait to start posting the sequel!

But yes, Season 5 was an absolute mess for so many reasons, but mainly because the writing was just so bad. I know they lost their main producer and JP had to take over. I don't think she cared to follow the show's own lore. She just wanted to end it quickly and dramatically. If you read my story, Don't It Just Break Your Heart, I don't fully resolve all of the issues, but I do discuss how it wouldn't make sense for Klaus and Elijah to die with the Hollow. We saw other characters get killed with the Hollow inside and she just comes back, it doesn't kill her. They completely dropped the Labonair connection in Season 5 which was such a pivotal point in Season 4. Simply killing her on the one plane didn't solve anything as she just ended up back on the ancestral plane and come back.

Also, yes, where did that stake come from? Freya searched for any trace of the white oak in season 3 and only came up with the one bullet. How did she not find the one that Klaus kept hidden? Why would Klaus keep a stake that could kill him and his family hidden? None of that made sense. Like you pointed out, there was still a way to kill him, Marcel's venom. It would be kind of iconic for Klaus to be killed by both of his children -- Hope doing it to kill the Hollow but using Marcel's venom.

Very little about Season 5 made any sense. It was all just for rating and to launch Legacies.

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Anonymous asked:

Thoughts on ripper Stefan?

Being a "ripper" was an interesting way to explain why Stefan couldn't drink blood. It wasn't just a preference that he could compromise on, but a illness that he could never escape.

I wish they would have handled it better in a lot of cases. Like I said, they related it to a mental illness, even showing it was hereditary. You have characters like Damon telling Stefan it was all in his head and he just had to try harder. And in reality, that's how a lot of people treat mental illness. Even to the extent that, instead of trying to help, Stefan is blamed for it.

At no point in the show do we see Stefan willingly become a ripper. He was when he first turned, but he didn't even know what that meant. Lexi helped him get it under control, and while he slipped up at times, it was never because he enjoyed it. He had to turn off his humanity to even deal with his slip ups. In TVD, he only becomes one when forced by Klaus or then by Caroline.

People often want Stefan being a ripper to absolve or condemn him, but it's more complicated. Just as mental illness is more complicated. While a person is still accountable for their actions, it can't be ignored that their actions are coming from a place of illness. As I said, Stefan doesn't willingly ever become a ripper, that we see. He actively does everything to avoid it. It would be different if Stefan knew he was a ripper and then chose to "fall off the wagon." Rather, we see him struggling with this illness. Yes, at times he does push it on others, but it's coming from a place of attempting to manage his own.

Again, it doesn't mean we can't hold him accountable, but we also have to acknowledge his struggles against being a ripper.

I would have liked the show to go into the history of rippers more. I've seen people say that Elijah or Kol were the original rippers, but that's just not true. It would have been interesting to see though if it was more prevalent in one of their sire lines than the others. Or even just see more rippers than just Lily and Stefan.

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Anonymous asked:

Kinda random, but what did you think of Mason Lockwood?

I don't often think about Mason, but he is probably the best werewolf we met in TVD.

Mason had to go through the whole werewolf transformation by himself. As far as he knew, he was the only one. He eventually does find a pack who he creates a sense of family with. But he is still loyal to his blood family. He attempts to prevent Tyler from triggering the curse and we see just how painful it is for him to go through it every month. He was killed far too soon. He should have been able to be with Tyler as he transformed for the first time

I love that when he comes back from the otherside, he isn't there for revenge but to help Tyler. He felt guilty for being taken advantage of by Katherine and actually works to redeem himself, even on the otherside. I don't even think he needed to "redeem" himself. He was tricked by Katherine, but still didn't even trust her and hid the moonstone from her. He did everything he could to protect his pack and his family.

Mason is yet another example of how easily the show disregards the werewolves. Damon kills him and faces no repercussions. Just as Damon later kills Tyler and no one cares.

The TVD werewolves deserved better and Mason shouldn't have been killed. Or at the very least, they could have made a bigger deal about it. He actually seemed like a good guy. We know Tyler needed that in his life.

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Anonymous asked:

Idk if you’ve ever spoke about this but in a world where Hope was raised by her family, how do you think she would’ve turned out as opposed to how she is in canon? Also what issues do you think she’d have - because no child raised by Klaus Mikaelson , let alone the rest of their family - would be without issues?

I've talked about this briefly, but never in depth.

But this brings up a nature v. nurture debate in me. I do think a lot of Hope is just who she is. But we can't deny how her life shapes her.

The first time in canon we ever get a sense of Hope's personality is when we meet her as a seven year old, who is being raised by Hayley alone. Hope is a gentle, sensitive, and caring girl. I do think that is the baseline for Hope.

However, if she had been raised with all of the Mikaelsons, I can't help but feel that she would be corrupted slightly. We met Marcel briefly as a child and he was also a sweet and caring child. However, the Mikaelsons made him like them. Marcel was still caring, but there was an edge to it. He was willing to starve and imprison his best friend for betraying him. He was willing to lock Davina, a child, up for his own gain. He was willing to unleash a horde of vampires on New Orleans to defeat his enemies (the Mikaelsons). He was willing to hurt those he claimed to love for power. Marcel became a Mikaelson through and through. The same thing would have happened to Hope.

Legacies, from what I've seen, loves to talk about Hope being Klaus' daughter, but in reality, canon Hope is Freya and Hayley's daughter. And not even the Freya we first met, but the Freya they turned her into after they killed Cami off. Being raised by them and feeling abandoned by the rest of her family really shaped who she became. For better or worse.

I also have trouble with this question because it depends what version of Klaus stuck around. We saw various different versions of Klaus as a father, but one thing was consistent is that he wasn't a very good father. He wanted to be, but let his fear and quest for power interfere. Even when he was around for Hope's life, we see him often handing Hope off to Freya or Elijah or Jackson and Hayley or just vaguely to the bayou.

But, for arguments sake, let's say he was actively invovled in raising Hope. He would spoil her and teach Hope that the world owed her everything. We would have seen a much more entitled Hope. She would still be caring underneath, but like Marcel would feel that she was owed more than she was given and do questionable things to get there.

I do think Elijah would try to temper this more, he saw what his hands off approach did to Kol, Klaus, and Rebekah. Elijah and Hayley would have had to be the disciplinarians, constantly fighting Klaus and his inability to actually parent. I would hope that we would still see Elijah realizing that the pressure he put on Hope as a baby was too much and he would be able to tell her that earlier than he did in canon.

We also wouldn't see Hope feeling the pressure the way she did because their wouldn't be the sacrifices. Hope's point system she kept was because she felt like she had to make the Mikaelsons' sacrifice worth it. That she had to be worth it. No sacrifice, no pressure. Even if Elijah didn't realize his mistake, there would be nothing telling Hope that it was her job to "save" Klaus.

This is good, but also would just feed into the entitlement with nothing to temper her out. Rebekah and Kol would also spoil her, encouraging her problematic behavior. Freya, even in canon, often viewed Hope as an adult rather than a child, letting her make decisions that she was too young to be making.

But the saving graces would be the in-laws and Hayley. We see Hayley really mature as a mother. Part of this is likely because she was doing it on her own, but I think she would still have this growth with the Mikaelsons, encouraging them to have their own growth. Cami would have forced Klaus to confront his issues that made him a questionable father and showed him how problematic his techniques of parenting were. Davina would have been one of Hope's biggest advocates, knowing how much pressure was on Hope. Same with Marcel. He knew how much the Mikaelsons broke him and he wouldn't let them do that to Hope. Keelin would also have pointed out all of their problematic behavior, never letting them get away with it.

Hope would have been similar to the Rebekah we met in TVD. Kind of a bratty teenager who has a good heart underneath it all. She would grow and mature and hopefully find her own footing outside of the Mikaelsons. She would also be less afraid of the "darkness" inside of her because there wouldn't be the lingering ghost of the Mikaelsons hanging over her. They would just be her family. Instead of learning of them from books and people who hated them, she would be able to form her own opinions. She would learn to embrace all parts of herself as she got older.

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so as you might know from our previous convos that the Salvatores brothers had a much more hostile relationship in the books, and unlike the show, LJ Smith didn't sugarcoat this with any co-dependency plot or family obligations that the show did to excuse why Stefan putting up with Damon.

Like, Stefan is completely justified by the narrative in wanting to be away from Damon, considering what he put him through over the centuries.

So, my question is if the show decided to go with that version of their relationship where they always hated eachother and committed mutual fratricide (with show!Katherine & her meddling), what do you think would have been different?

Do you think Stefan would have hesitated less in putting up with Damon and staking him after Lexi's death?

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Yes, and that's why the show made those changes.

I think they do a decent job of showing that Stefan is still justified in wanting to be away from Damon when they are first introduced. It's clear Damon only brings misery to Stefan's life. They were alive for over 175 years and spent most of that separated for a reason.

But I think the show also does a decent job of showing how complicated familial bonds are. People often argue that if someone is being abused, they should just leave. But it's a lot more complicated than that. Just because a family member hurts you, doesn't mean you stop loving them. Even if you should.

I haven't read the books, but I'll take your word for it that they are more hostile. And that works for the books. But it wouldn't work for the show that they wanted. I've talked about this with Caroline and Damon. Caroline's (and Stefan's) ability to forgive Damon is why the audience is able to. The show runners wanted Damon to be a "redeemable" character. If Damon did everything he did in Season 1 and Stefan was hostile towards Damon until the end of the show, he would be the antagonist. People may still like him and even root for him, but it wouldn't be as "justifiable. "

As you said, Stefan wouldn't have forgiven him for killing Lexi. Now in the show, they made it clear that Damon was stronger because he drank human blood, so Stefan wouldn't have been able to just stake him. But it wouldn't be the first time Stefan would have challenged someone stronger. I also think the show did a bad job of showing Stefan's reaction to Lexi's death. He was with Lexi for more of his life than Damon. She was his best friend and family. Damon killed her for really no reason and Stefan essentially just moves on. But again, the show didn't want the audience to linger on the anger too much. It was meant to shock and move on.

If the show was more like the book, the show would have turned into Stefan and Damon fighting each other over everything. I think that story would get old fast. The fact that they turned against each other for Katherine despite their strong bond in the show was meant to depict just how good Katherine was at manipulating them. She was able to wedge herself in even with their strong bond. If they hated each other throughout the show, they would obviously be easy to turn on each other. I could see Katherine using Damon's feelings for her, pretending she cared for him, to go after Elena in order to get Stefan back. That way she keeps her hands clean and can blame Damon, hoping Stefan would kill Damon and they could be together.

But again, it would be a quicker show.

It's really hard for a show to have two characters just hate each other the whole time. Even with the worst villains on TVDU, if they are on the show for more than half a season, they often found common ground with the protagonist. At some point Damon and Stefan would have had to resolve their issues, even if just temporarily.

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Anonymous asked:

Do you think Marcels bite could kill Hayley (or any hybrid for that matter) because his bite is wolf venom and white oak - the latter being the only reason its fatal to an original - i’ve always kind of wondered

No, I wouldn't think so. But who knows with the writers and their inconsistencies.

I don't believe we ever saw a werewolf bite a hybrid, but since hybrids seem to be immune to most ways that kill regular vampires, I wouldn't think Marcel's bite would kill them. There's nothing about Marcel's bite that should kill a normal hybrid.

As you said, his bite kills normal vampires because of the werewolf venom. It kills Originals because of the white oak. Davina was going to use it to kill Klaus. But not as a hybrid, rather as an Original. Just like using a white oak stake would still kill him. It can't be healed by Klaus because it is a combination of all of the werewolf packs. None of this would affect a hybrid, that we know of.

The lore would also suggest it would not kill a hybrid. The reason werewolf venom kills vampires is because when vampires were created, nature wanted to ensure werewolves had a defense against vampires. Just as it made vampires susceptible to vervain and sunlight, they could be weakened by werewolf venom. And of course, their sires could be killed by it, just as they could be killed by the sun when Originals couldn't. So it wouldn't make sense for a werewolf bite to be dangerous to its own kind. It would have been interesting to see the story continue (if the writers were better) to see if werewolves or vampires would begin to develop protections to the hybrids since they were new creatures. Just as werewolves developed venom to kill vampires. On the flipside, hybrids are almost like a defense against the new Upgraded Originals.

Although it is interesting that hybrids are weakened by both vervain and wolfsbane. But again, nature always wants a way to weaken these creatures.

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Anonymous asked:

Who do you prefer between Damon and Klaus?

Without the Originals, it would be harder to say, but I do prefer Klaus because of The Originals. I actually like aspects of Klaus' character whereas Damon is my least favorite character.

I've talked about how I distinguish characters in TVD in my head. We all do it differently, but for me the intent and motivation really matters. We are dealing with a show where every single character has killed at least once so we can't operate on the same standards we have in real life. They all kill, but different characters kill for different reasons which is how I distinguish the "good" v "bad."

The fandom loves to talk about how Klaus and Damon have these complex character arcs, but in the Vampire Diaries they were essentially the same character:

Childhood trauma + heartbreak = complex character

Klaus only pulls ahead in TO because we start seeing him actually wanting to be a better person. While Damon, to me, didn't care to be a better person. He just wanted Elena to like him. But when he realized Elena would forgive him for basically anything, he had no desire to be a good person. We see him kill Tyler and Aaron and even kidnap Jeremy when he isn't concerned about Elena's approval. There's never actually lasting improvement because he personally does not care to be a better person. He kills because he enjoys it. He sexually assaults and rapes because he doesn't care about other people. He never grows to care for humanity as a whole.

Klaus didn't just want to be a better person to earn Hope's love, but because he finally understood how precious life really was. He wanted to be a person Hope would be proud of and could emulate, but it wasn't just Hope, it was Hayley, Cami, Marcel, his siblings, etc. He actually begins to feel his humanity again. Now we do see a backslide in season 5 of TO and Klaus loses years of character development. But at least we saw a glimpse of the person Klaus had the ability to be.

We just don't see that with Damon. For Damon, things have to be absolutely perfect, otherwise he will find a way to destroy it all. I mentioned in my post about Bamon, but Damon can only show growth in a vacuum where nothing can tip him to be bad. Klaus on the other hand was constantly operating under intense pressure and, while 99% of the time made selfish decisions, we began to see him hesitating. Like when he doesn't want to sacrifice Davina even if it means he and Hayley will die (although if they had switched roles, sorry but Klaus was also sacrificing Davina to save Elijah and Hayley). But that hesitation shows growth from Season 1 where he was trying to sacrifice Davina every five minutes.

I don't think Klaus had one of the best character developments that has ever existed. In fact, I've often said that his development is very slight. But it is still more than Damon.

Also how Klaus treats Cami is infinitely better than how Damon treated Elena. Klaus was awful to Cami in Season 1 but we saw remorse and he worked to earn Cami's forgiveness. While Damon never once apologized for anything he did to Elena.

I can enjoy Damon's quips but at the end of the day I just didn't enjoy the character. There wasn't anything to redeemable in him. He is my least favorite in TVD. Whereas Klaus is not my least favorite in TO. There's something about that glimpse of humanity we see in him that makes me give him another chance. But then again, I've always said I relate to Elijah, even in his toxic traits.

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Anonymous asked:

i have heard a lot of people deny that Marbekah isn't a problematic ship, and if anyone ever discusses the issues it's usually about Marcel choosing NOLA over Rebekah. But never the fact that Rebekah knew him a child.

And usually the defence is that Rebekah (like Elijah) wasn't an active parent after Klaus' jealous tantrum. I admit that Rebekah didn't fraternize with child!Marcel with the sole purpose of dating him, so traditional 'grooming' definition is hard to apply.

But Rebekah never set any kind of proper boundaries between them. When he initially had a crush on her, she should have explained that they're 'family' now and that's not how it works, thus stopping his crush from going further but not drive him away. She was the adult at that time.

On top of it, Marcel grew up watching Klaus-Rebekah's messed up dynamic. He was a traumatized child who watched these stuff being normalized by two of his white guardians. And the show has never been subtle about Marcel being raised in Klaus' image, or how much Klaus & Rebekah date people that look or act like eachother.

Oh and the casual disregard for adopted kids.

Why do you think Marbekah goes under the radar for this, when Caroline+Alaric, Stelena , Delena and Klaroline are often ripped apart for this exact reason?

Does it have anything to do with Marcel being poc or is it the infantilisation of Rebekah's character?

I used to really love Marbekah. They were top 3 TVDU ships for me. But the more I think about it, the more I have to rewrite to keep loving them. And I do want to love them just because it is one of the two ships I loved that actually got an endgame. But in typical TVDU fashion, the ships that got endgames were so problematic.

I don't think anyone can say Marbekah isn't problematic. It's one thing to love them, but they are deeply problematic for several reasons. One of them will always be Marcel constantly choosing either Klaus or New Orleans over her.

But the bigger reason is Rebekah grooming him. Because there isn't another way to say it. Rebekah knew Marcel as a child, helped raise him, and then quickly got into a relationship with him. We don't really know how old he was but he was at least in his early twenties when they first got together.

For the most part, as you said, I just headcannon that Rebekah wasn't an active parent in Marcel's life. But the show actively tries to fight against that narrative. The scene where Marcel is a literal child saying he wants to marry Rebekah was meant to be cute, but it's gross considering they then have a romantic relationship. You do mention that it doesn't fit the traditional definition of grooming, but I think it does because of that scene. Marcel makes a comment about being attracted to Rebekah in a way that he wants to marry her as a child and instead of seeing Rebekah rebuke this, she is flattered and essentially gives him a goal, saying she wouldn't marry someone who couldn't beat her in a duel. Not that she couldn't marry a child or someone her brother was raising as a son. This is then paired with a flashback of them dueling when he is an adult and they begin to kiss. The fact that they are still dueling all those years later make it seem as if she had an active role in his life. Rebekah's failure to set boundaries and encouraging the crush is a form of grooming. As you said, she should have set him down and explained family. But also as you point out, Rebekah doesn't really understand healthy family.

Marcel being raised by the Mikaelsons turned him into a Mikaelson. In some good ways and some bad. Marcel definitely has a lot of similar traits to Klaus. I definitely think there is an aspect of Rebekah choosing Marcel because of that, but also simply because the Mikaelsons had to keep it in the family or Klaus would lose his mind. Even though he also lost his mind here. But at least Rebekah wasn't worried about Klaus killing Marcel like he had killed every other lover she had in the past.

Klaus stans will say he "punished" Rebekah because of the grooming, but that's really ignoring his entire character and the entire show. Rebekah took something that belonged to him, because he viewed Marcel as property more than a child. This is another reason people overlook the grooming, because people don't view Marcel as a Mikaelson or as a child of Klaus. I've always been curious of where the last name "Gerard" came from. Why wouldn't he go by Mikaelson if he was raised by them? Klaus gave him a first name but not their last name? Potentially Marcel dropped it to distance himself, but even in the flashbacks, we don't see him truly being regarded as a Mikaelson. The show did this because they understood they were walking a creepy line of predatory/incest.

I think Marbekah tends to get less judgment than the other ships because people think Marcel and Rebekah are morally superior than the other characters. This is not true for everyone, just something I've seen with both of their stans. I love Rebekah, but I get attacked if I ever criticize her for how she treated the teenagers in TVD. Or the fact that Rebekah dated teenage Matt and used money and the ability to travel to persuade him to be with her. Or when I compare Marcel to Klaus, because they do have a lot of similarities. I've noticed with a lot of characters who may have less terrible deeds under their belt get away with murder, literally. If you criticize them, people will respond with "You like x, and they've done worse," instead of holding their character accountable. Or like with Klaus, their abuse is used to excuse all of their misdeeds.

People will argue that Rebekah was turned as a a 16 year old teenager so she was a teenager and it was fine for her to date teenagers, but then Marcel being with her at 25 years old is problematic as he's an adult sleeping with a 16 year old. Or Even Damon who was turned at 24 years old. So that argument is still problematic.

I do think Marcel being a POC does play a role. POC children and teens tend to face "adultification" in media, so people are less concerned about them being groomed or taken advantage of by adults. I do also agree that Rebekah is often infantilized. I blame a lot of her behavior in TVD for that. She behaved like a child. But in TO, they matured her so much, even in the flashbacks. If TVD Rebekah was with Marcel, I think that would have felt creepy on his part.

Like I said, I do still enjoy Marbekah, but I can't think about it too much or it grosses me out. I do prefer my ships to be age appropriate and contain the least amount of toxicity we can expect from a series like TVDU.

Thanks for the ask!

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in a world where hope was raised by her family do you have any marcel/hope sibling relationship headcanons - i think their relationship was wayyyy too underrated

To me, Marcel and Hope have always had more of an uncle/niece relationship than sibling. This is largely because of their age differences, but also because of the lack of father figure in Hope's life for so long. While Hope does feel protective of Marcel, it's not in the same parental way Marcel does for her. He watched her grow up more so than any man in her life.

It's why I found it harder to believe Marcel, out of all of the Mikaelsons, didn't show up to help Hope in Legacies. He knew exactly what it was to be Klaus' child. He also knew exactly what it was like to be abandoned by the Mikaelsons.

Even in TO Season 5, they didn't do their relationship justice. Marcel would have been a close figure in Hope's life. Mystic Falls is only about a six hour drive from New York City and Marcel didn't have a reason to stay away. He was one of the few Mikaelsons that could actively be in Hope's life. We get to see a handful of scenes with them and it does appear they've stayed in touch. I watched the one episode in Legacies where the Mikaelsons come back and it even seems like Hope is more excited to see Marcel than anyone.

I think, in a world where Hope had a stable life raised by her family, they could have had a more sibling-like relationship. But there would always be an unevenness about it because of Marcel's age compared to Hope. It would be similar to Elijah and Rebekah, but without the egotistical brother. Hope would still look to Marcel for guidance and expertise on dealing with the family. Marcel would have been able to guide her better if he was closer throughout her growing up. Marcel would be the person she would call whenever she was in trouble or felt like the Mikaelsons were suffocating her. Marcel would take her out for the day and they would talk about how difficult it all was.

We were robbed of more interactions between Marcel and Hope as she grew.

Thanks for the ask!

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What is it about TO that makes you overall prefer it over TVD?

I love both so much. I grew up with TVD and only discovered TO a few years ago. I still regularly re-watch them both.

But as much as I complain about the writing of TO, I prefer the storytelling of TO. It's one of the reasons I get so mad at how rushed and poorly done the last two seasons were. I wish they would have slowed down the pacing and had more seasons so that we could enjoy the stories more. But the seasons were so compelling. The enemies were complex characters who you kind of rooted for because they weren't wrong. The main characters weren't heroes and no one pretended they were. They were all super problematic people and even the best people did bad things at times. They all acknowledged this. The show acknowledged it better. It allowed the show to be more enjoyable than seeing characters posture and pretend the line between good and evil is distinct. The maturity of the show helped it be enjoyable because it allowed for more nuanced conversations.

Another big reason is simply the fact that TO aged everyone up. It felt more realistic watching people in their early twenties going through the events of TO, rather than watching teenagers behave like adults and get groomed by hundred year old vampires. It made the ships a little easier to root for too.

I also prefer the overall arc of TO over TVD. I love the early seasons of TVD and still enjoy the later seasons, but after a while the story began to feel repetitive. The whole show was based on a love triangle that they never tried to shake. In fact, they played into it. Even now, people still debate who Elena would have ended up with if Nina had stayed. Or Katherine for that matter. The villains all played into this. The fact that Katherine is supposed to be this 500 year old badass that will do anything to survive but is hung up on stealing a teenagers life and chasing after a guy who is just not that into her got old fast. She comes back from hell and is still obsessed. Everyone in the supernatural world being obsessed with a teenager and two baby vampires (because 175 is not old) was so wild.

TO tried the love triangle but it was hardly even a debate. Even with the different ships, it was always clear who the endgames of TO were. Which is because TO wasn't about the ships. I do wish we could have more time on the romance, but the arc of the show was about family. The ships were all secondary and largely centered on family as well. The ships weren't just a romance but finding found family.

On top of that, the enemies targeting the family made sense. Every season there was a different motivation but each one made sense. The Mikaelsons are the oldest vampire family who weren't good people. Of course they had enemies. The enemies had really good reasons to stay obsessed and seek revenge. The show could have just stopped there, each season bringing in a new enemy. But they mixed it up and kept it interesting. We had old family members coming back from the dead, a cult of vampires, faction wars, etc. The stories felt more organic because they weren't even always focused on the Mikaelsons, but rather supernatural conflict.

The TO lore was also more interesting to me. Dahlia, Inadu, the faction wars. We got to learn about more than just vampires, whereas TVD felt like all of the other supernatural were just to prop up the vampires. I will admit that TO slacked off on the wolves a bit in certain seasons, but for the most part, the factions were evenly represented.

I also loved the side characters in TO. Not that I don't in TVD. But I feel like TO had such a great collection of characters. TVD had the MF gang and everyone else was secondary unless accepted by the MF gang. The characters all just had so much depth.

All of this, is of course, opinions. Both shows have so much to offer. I critique them because I love them. But TO just has such a special place to me.

Thanks for the ask! I haven't really sat down and thought about this before!

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i just rewatched TO 2x15-19 and man Freya's backstory is so horrible. i feel so bad for her, the fear you see in her eyes when she sees Dahlia again in 2x18 gave me shivers. also Klaus being such a dick to her makes him rescuing her in s3's Heart Shaped Box such a nice moment. i want to give s2 Freya a big hug. also what the hell is that accent she's doing? it only starts to appear in the episode where she removes Finn from Vincent, it's not in the witch asylum episodes.

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Riley deserves all of the praise for her acting, especially in Season 2. Her entrance was so scary and iconic, yet she quickly won us over with her pain and fear.

I wish they wouldn't have modernized Freya so quickly. Every time I watch Season 2, I'm always surprised by Freya because she changes so much so quickly. I liked her Season 2 accent. It felt out of place which was so accurate for her. Kind of like how you can't really pin down Elijah's accent. I feel like them all being British is such a weird choice since they all spent very little of their life (that we know of) actually in England. Freya would have picked up strange accents as she only lived a year every hundred years and it seems like in different places.

I also laugh every time people say Freya and Klaus were the closest relationship Freya had outside of Finn. Freya naming her son Nik made no sense. He was the least welcoming, literally killing her after she let herself be vulnerable. Can you imagine Cami breaking Klaus' neck after he let her in to his head in Season 1?? He would have been devastated but he did that to Freya without hesitation.

Season 2 Freya deserved so much more. I do understand their hesitancy since they had so many enemies. But she proved herself to them over and over again.

I do think her character was never very consistent as she seemed to fill empty roles more than have her own personality at times. I wish the writers would have established her as her own person rather than a fill in for Rebekah or Cami.

I don't talk about Freya enough, so thanks for the ask!

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Enzo is the Morally Gray Character Everyone Pretends Damon is

Let's discuss.

Backstory

The writers didn't even try to hide it as they paralleled much of Enzo's background with Damon. If anything, his story is more tragic than the "poor little rich boy" story we get from Damon. I'm not discrediting the abuse Damon suffered, more pointing out the privilege Damon lived with, especially given his role in the Confederacy. No child should have to suffer abuse. But this privilege is often ignored when discussing Damon.

Enzo has a tragic childhood, being orphaned at just four years old and forced into a workhouse. Unlike Damon, Enzo was turned without any prior knowledge of the supernatural world. And he was turned by Damon's mother, tying them together. He was then abandoned as the only vampire he knew was locked in a prison world, leaving him to figure everything out himself. Damon was also alone, but this was done by choice. Like Damon, he also fought in a war, but unlike Damon, he fought on the right-side of WWII. We don't know much about this time in Enzo's life, but I do love that they almost give this story to Damon as well. However, Damon was only joining to be with Stefan and ended up not enlisting at all when Lexi talks him out of going with Stefan.

Enzo was captured by Whitmore and experimented on for ten years. He found love but compelled her to forget him to keep her safe, but was later killed by Damon. Similar to how Damon compelled Elena to forget him, but unlike Enzo when Elena chose to compel the memories away, he can't just let her be happy without him.

When Damon was also captured by Whitmore, Enzo befriended him, showing he still was caring person despite everything that had happened. Despite being held captive for twice as long as Damon, Enzo gave Damon his rations of blood for a year, starving himself so they could escape. But when the time came to escape, Damon left Enzo behind for dead. Because of Damon's actions, Enzo is then held captive for over 50 years.

Throughout the Show

When we meet Enzo his anger is initially directed at Damon, but upon learning that Damon kept his promise on killing the Whitmores, he forgives him for leaving him for dead and shifts his anger to the Whitmores. Enzo killing Aaron made sense since this was his entrance and his anger was still fresh, whereas Damon killing Aaron just showed that he hadn't actually had any character development that the show claimed he had. Damon also uses his position with the MF gang to manipulate Bonnie into helping by threatening Jeremy.

Enzo only turns on Stefan when he believes that Stefan was the one who killed Maggie. Finding out that it was his only friend that killed the woman he loved, instead of trying to kill Damon, he turns off his humanity because he feels so betrayed and heartbroken. Without his humanity, he targets Elena to get revenge on Damon. Stefan kills Enzo so then Enzo seeks revenge against Stefan. It's all logical.

The worst thing Enzo did was Sarah. This is my least favorite Enzo storyline, but not just because the death felt so pointless. But because it all felt out of character and random. Why was Enzo holding onto such a strong grudge for Stefan? Yes, Stefan killed him, but only because he was trying to kill Elena. Enzo's anger would have made more sense directed at Damon, but the writers couldn't let anyone be angry at Damon for more than an episode. But then Enzo doesn't even kill her. Sarah convinces Enzo to let her go

When Enzo kills, it is strategical. He doesn't do it out of joy, but rather because he feels he needs to and he has so much anger inside of him. Right or wrong, this is different than Damon's stance of killing for fun. When Caroline pushes back to Enzo, he says sometimes they have to kill for survival and they can't afford to hesitate. When Damon is called out on his killing, he says it is just part of being a vampire. He revels in it.

Even when Enzo is reunited with his long lost family, the Heretics, he doesn't enjoy taking their side. He is torn because he has never known a family and doesn't know what one feels like. He doesn't like harming the people he has known for a short while. He again chooses his blood family at the Armory initially, still hoping to find that family. But he's not really betraying anyone by doing this. The MF gang was never his family. Damon was his friend who betrayed him. He didn't owe them loyalty. But when Enzo finally finds family in the MF gang, in Bonnie, nothing will make him betray that. Unlike Damon, Enzo's loyalty isn't transactional.

Growth

The biggest difference between Damon and Enzo is that Enzo has the character development the show desperately tried to pretend Damon had.

Enzo values his friendships. When Damon dies, he is one of the main characters seeking to bring him back. Even attacking Stefan for giving up. Enzo comforts Caroline throughout the summer as she struggles. He counsels Bonnie to let him go because he'd rather her live and be safe than bring him back to life. He even talks her into forgiving Stefan so she doesn't live the rest of her life in pain.

Damon does very little to bring people back, usually just resorting to begging/forcing Bonnie. Even when Elena's in a coma, he doesn't spend the years seeking a loophole, rather he decides to desiccate and abandon his friends and brother. He misses his dead friends but doesn't honor their memories.

The writers actually learned from their mistakes with Damon. Damon entered the show as a villain in Season 1 and that was really hard to come back from. His assault on Caroline, killing Lexi, Vicki, and countless other people for fun, his yo-yoing back and forth between "good" and "bad" depending on how Elena was treating him, it was all too much without a really good redemption arc. Which they didn't bother doing. We don't see Damon ever feel remorse or apologize for anything. Everyone just forgives him.

While Enzo actually works to repair his relationships. He feels remorse for what he's done to the extent that he warns Caroline and Bonnie not to live like him. His very last actions are to make sure Bonnie forgives where he couldn't so that she could move on the way he couldn't.

Enzo was far from a perfect person, but he is by far a better "morally gray" character than Damon.

Race

While the show essentially white washes Michael Malarkey's background, we have to acknowledge the racism that plays a part. And even the larger disenfranchisement of Palestinian actors or even just Pro-Palestinian actors. Michael is proud of his Palestinian heritage. We can't ignore the impact this has had on him in the fandom and even with the cast and crew given their stances.

People are always quick to talk about the racism in the fandom, yet it always seems to fall short when discussing Michael/Enzo. It could just be because of the whitewashing in the show, but I've seen the discussion brought up more with Michael Trevino who is also a whitewashed character thanks to the shows blatant racism.

A lot of the complaints against Enzo is that he was taking roles they wished their favs had and he wasn't even a "main character. But why is Enzo not considered a main character? He has a 59 episode run time (4 seasons). He is classified as a main character online, but the fandom continues to sideline him. He has a longer run time than Klaus by double, yet we wouldn't say that Klaus wasn't a main character on TVD.

I've never actually seen legitimate reasons to hate Enzo. All of the reasons are farfetched or cherry-picking the plot so bad I swear they only watch certain character scenes.

Damon was a bad person who had moments of goodness. Enzo was a good person who had moments of "badness." I don't get why everyone wants to hate on Enzo just to make them feel better about liking Damon. Just like Damon.

But I love Enzo and I have so much respect for Michael Malarkey. They both deserved better from the fandom and the writers.

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Hey, I just discovered your vlog and I've been enjoying reading your replies very much. Idk if this has been asked before but I wanted to know if you think having Legacies in the making influenced The Originals ending. I think killing most, if not all parental figures was done because them existing in the same universe where the kids were in life thretening situation and not coming to help them wouldn't make sense.

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Hi! Thank you for reading! I'm glad you enjoyed them.

I think it was very clear that Legacies ruined The Originals. To the extent that even the cast discussed it. Daniel Gillies was always very open about this, which is why (in my opinion) they did what they did to Elijah's character. He mentioned rushing through the last couple of seasons in this interview. I used to be more into the cast and would watch interviews, but I unfortunately never saved them so I don't have all of the receipts. But here are some quotes by Daniel regarding TO:

"That time was so complicated and difficult that to walk away from it knowing I had given it a great shot, it felt good – to walk away from the inherent difficulty of it."  "I was exhausted at the time, almost more exhausted than I have ever been. I had just directed an episode, I was sort of in these throes of the edit. I was consumed with having worked for long hours. I hadn't seen my family in weeks. We were also making a lot of changes to the scripts because scripts were struggling at that point. We had a backdoor pilot come in for another spin-off for the character of Hope Mikaelson in episode 11 or so, and because of that there was this tremendous pressure on the show. We were basically doing another show, another project, when we ought to have been wrapping up ourselves."

There is also a video interview where I distinctly remember Daniel talking about feeling abandoned by the producers, but I can't find it. We do know that Michael Narducci left after Season 4, as well as a lot of the crew. Daniel talks about a lot of upheaval on set that I find hard to believe was just normal business. He also complains about so many new characters in Season 5 which cut into the main characters storylines. With actors who have devoted years of their lives to these characters, it must have been difficult to watch them get ruined by the writers.

It is clear that none of the actors were happy when they left, which is why so many of them refused to come back. Phoebe even refused to sign off on them using her likeness and was only a "guest role" in Season 5.

I also think it is very telling that there are so many rumors that TO was supposed to be more seasons. It had good ratings and yet they decided to not even give us five full seasons. JP was definitely rushing to get to Legacies. That was always her goal, TO was just a means to an end. Season 5 wasn't about the TO characters, rather about launching Legacies. So much of Season 5 made no sense.

You're absolutely correct. Hayley, Elijah, and Klaus all dying was simply so Hope would be orphaned. Although they should have just killed the entire family because how the rest of them abandoned Hope was terrible. But, Hayley, Elijah, and Klaus would never have done it. There was no way Legacies was happening with those three around. It goes to show just how much of a parental figure Elijah was because JP also wanted that same pattern for Legacies. All three shows' lead woman is an orphaned teen thrown into the chaos of supernatural. Hayley and Klaus were never going to survive TO because JP wanted that for Legacies. Elijah got thrown in because in no world does he abandon Hope. I guess they could have left him with amnesia, but she wanted more drama than TVD.

But yeah, JP can deny it all she wants but she rushed the best show in the TVDU to create the worst. She wanted to create her own legacy (pun in tended) by creating a never ending spinoff universe.

Thanks for the ask!

Also feel free to send me the interviews if you can find them!

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