alanna-the-lionheart reblogged
alanna-the-lionheart reblogged
“Please don’t ask me to stay because I will. I will for you, but I am broken and I need you to let me go. Let me go so I can try to fix myself.” - Thea to Oliver
Poor Thea. I really hope she goes to see Roy. Even if we don’t get to see it, just knowing that Thea was able to spend time with Roay would make me so happy.
alanna-the-lionheart reblogged
Anonymous asked:
In regards to Oliver fighting harder for Susan than Felicity, I agree with your points and would also like to add that Felicity specifically asked Oliver to let her go. And if it's her asking he'll do it. Even if it hurts, because it's Felicity. It wouldn't have been right for him to "fight" for her when she very specifically told him they were over. (But it does bother me too that he's putting so much effort with Susan.)
Oh yes, absolutely! You are so right, anon!
Looking at it from Oliver’s perspective, he knows he fucked up with Felicity. Bad. And the fallout was even worse, to the point that she outright told him no, that she has tried moving on herself, that she even told him she’s moving on and the implied message in all of that is maybe he should as well.
The shitty thing about breakups is they suck, a lot. Like they will rip your heart out and make you eat it kind of suck. It’s not fun. Now imagine seeing the woman you want with every single fiber all the time, in addition to her not responding to any of your efforts to let her know you want to make it better - she gave the ring back twice and she found someone else to move on with, all on top of her saying she isn’t sure if it’s real, but she’s going to try aka she’s probably not going to get back together with you.
There is absolutely more going on underneath the surface, but based on the fact that Felicity explicitly told him over and over that they’re over, in different and varied ways?
From Oliver’s POV, it’s probably over.
(It’s not over, but we already know that. Oliver doesn’t. Felicity doesn’t. We do.)
It bothers me that he’s putting in so much effort with Susan as well, except it also makes sense (now that I’ve paused and had a second to think and drank a lot of wine).
Oliver is trying very, very hard to learn from his past mistakes, including his relationship with Felicity. He so badly wants to have what it was back with her, but he can’t, so he’s trying to move on with someone else. The trouble is that he’s doing it in such a naive and blundering way that it’s making him blind to all the red flags slapping him in the face.
Susan is bad news, across the board. She’s bad. She took advantage of his need for a friendly person, she fell into a “relationship” with her story subject and whether or not there are feelings there, it doesn’t change the motivating factor for her getting close to the mayor like that. Or that she’s still working a story or an angle. Every single word out of her mouth has the air of bullshit about it because she’s no dummy. Also, did Oliver ever explicitly say he was the Green Arrow? Did that ever come out? I’m going with no so when she said “both secrets” that was her way of getting him to admit things without admitting them. She’s just bad. Bad, bad, bad…
But we already know that, don’t we?
The person who doesn’t is Oliver and that’s because he’s blinded by his own intentions and motivations. He wants a strong, happy, healthy relationship, something like what he had with Felicity. He wants someone to turn to, someone who he can lean on and talk to and be there for and with and who will do the same for him. These are things he had with Felicity, but he lost them. So he’s learning from that.
He’s just applying it to the wrong damn woman.
(This is all the more painful because this is a sign of how much he’s grown as a character! A few years ago he wouldn’t have dreamed of turning to someone else. Hell, he didn’t turn to Felicity when he found out about William. He’s grown, he’s learning, but he’s applying all those Life Lessons with the wrong person.)
Oliver’s like a wounded bird, waddling around with his broken wings, trying to find ways to fix his relationship with Susan because ‘isn’t this what I’m supposed to do? Isn’t that what I learned? I’m trying to be the Good Boyfriend here. I learned how to be better, how to be there, how to be what Felicity said I wasn’t for her. I’m doing this the right way, aren’t I?’
No, my sweet summer child, you are still chest-deep in the lesson pool, you are not done. You are applying the lessons to the wrong person, which is what will lead you to drown in your lesson pool until you come up sputtering and realizing what a fool you’re being.
THIS! ALL OF THIS!
From what Arrow has shown us, Susan cares more about a big career story than she does about Oliver. She’s been digging into his history for months. She pestered him for information after sleeping with him. She blamed him for her getting fired when he had nothing to do with it, and then used that as excuse to give him the cold shoulder and not let him explain what happened. She also ignored a phone call from him after he’d been in a car crash.
By all rights, Oliver shouldn’t be putting as much effort into salvaging this relationship as he is. So then why is he? Why is he investing so much into something that doesn’t seem real? Because he’s trying so hard to convince himself that he can and has moved on from Felicity. He’s compensating with Susan, and someday he’ll realize that Susan (or anyone other than Felicity) can never be enough for him. We’re just not there yet.
(”Is it real?” I don’t know, Oliver, you tell me. (*spoiler alert* It’s not real) )
alanna-the-lionheart reblogged
The biggest thing that stuck out to me in arrow 5x15 is that scene where Oliver was in the hospital and the doctor ‘prescribed him a girlfriend’. He called Susan and she didn’t answer. They were fighting and she knew he was in an accident and in the hospital and she still wouldn’t answer his call. She’s not there for him when he needs her to be. But replace Susan with Felicity in this situation and she would have already been on her way when he called. I can’t help but think there is a point to this scene beyond just Susan. I think they are showing us all the reasons that Felicity is perfect for Oliver, and therefore showing him. When Felicity finally gives him a sign that the door is open he’ll run through it. I still have faith in them. I think he needed to see all the reasons they worked so well beyond the pure love of it all and I think Felicity needed to better understand the weight that Oliver struggles with and why he has such a struggle with it.
almondblossomme
Agreed @turtlejustice there is a point to this scene!
I need more posts like this for reassurance and as a reminder that things aren’t always what they seem.
This show can have Susan tell Oliver she cares about him until she’s blue in the face and I will never fucking buy it. Ever. Snoozles doesn’t give a shit about Oliver, and it SHOWS. She immediately blamed him for her getting fired when he had nothing to do with it. She ignored him and refused to talk to him, so he could never explain his side of things. Then she ignored a phone call from him after he was in a fucking car crash.
I don’t care what Arrow SAYS or what Snoozles SAYS. All they SHOW ME is a woman who cares more about a big career story than the man she’s dating. And at some point Oliver needs to wake up and see this, because he’s putting way more effort into this relationship than she is and WAY more than she actually deserves.
AGREED. BUT your last sentence is what concerns me the most.
Perhaps that’s the REAL problem in this equation? He’s trying too damn hard and investing too much into something that doesn’t seem REAL (”Is it real?” I don’t know, Oliver, you tell me).
He’s trying so hard to convince himself that he can and has moved on from Felicity. Eventually he’ll realize that he’s compensating with her, and maybe then he’ll get his head out of his ass.
alanna-the-lionheart reblogged
The biggest thing that stuck out to me in arrow 5x15 is that scene where Oliver was in the hospital and the doctor ‘prescribed him a girlfriend’. He called Susan and she didn’t answer. They were fighting and she knew he was in an accident and in the hospital and she still wouldn’t answer his call. She’s not there for him when he needs her to be. But replace Susan with Felicity in this situation and she would have already been on her way when he called. I can’t help but think there is a point to this scene beyond just Susan. I think they are showing us all the reasons that Felicity is perfect for Oliver, and therefore showing him. When Felicity finally gives him a sign that the door is open he’ll run through it. I still have faith in them. I think he needed to see all the reasons they worked so well beyond the pure love of it all and I think Felicity needed to better understand the weight that Oliver struggles with and why he has such a struggle with it.
almondblossomme
Agreed @turtlejustice there is a point to this scene!
I need more posts like this for reassurance and as a reminder that things aren’t always what they seem.
This show can have Susan tell Oliver she cares about him until she’s blue in the face and I will never fucking buy it. Ever. Snoozles doesn’t give a shit about Oliver, and it SHOWS. She immediately blamed him for her getting fired when he had nothing to do with it. She ignored him and refused to talk to him, so he could never explain his side of things. Then she ignored a phone call from him after he was in a fucking car crash.
I don’t care what Arrow SAYS or what Snoozles SAYS. All they SHOW ME is a woman who cares more about a big career story than the man she’s dating. And at some point Oliver needs to wake up and see this, because he’s putting way more effort into this relationship than she is and WAY more than she actually deserves.
Chase wanted Dinah to take that visor piece. He put it down on the table near her and walked away, then smiled when he saw it was gone. So why take it from her in the first place if he was just going to give it back?
And how come we STILL don’t know who Vigilante is? After Team Arrow defeated him, why wasn’t he unmasked? Everything about this storyline is sketchy as fuck.