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elmhat

Do you think that c!Sam truly believed in the way he thought of c!Dream in the way I see it as less than a person or do you think it was more of him following the rules of the prison down to the letter. I have a lot of thoughts on this but I want to hear some other people’s opinions.

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I'm not actually sure those two things are so separate.

c!Sam goes into the prison arc in a position of power. Societal structure is a little strange on the dsmp—there's no single government to defer to, nor a concrete set of laws with police to enforce them—but Sam's power as warden is certainly enforceable and physical, and it's a power that a large portion of the server initially agrees he should have. Sam has weapons and armor and free access around the prison and the backing of the people, and Dream does not. In a hierarchy like that, consciously or not, the person on top can often view those beneath them to some extent as less important—be it as a warden and prisoner or simply as an employer and employee.

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Dream SMP Season 2 idea:

  • Pandora's Vault exists, still. It is half sunk into the sea, very obviously an old ruin, and there's something - off, about the place.
  • It's not just a building any more, of course. It's old, filled with pain, haunted. Things this old have their own kind of intelligence, change and evolve into something else.
  • It's a dungeon now. Filled with monsters, traps, loot, a boss. Filled with things best left undisturbed, if you ask anyone wise.
  • c!Tommy, enthralled by the idea of loot, is not wise. c!Dream, enthralled by the idea of secrets, is also not wise.
  • c!Philza, a strange old man who lives alone and seems to know more than everyone else (not that he ever opens his mouth to talk about it), warns them away. They do not listen.
  • The dungeon is indeed dangerous; once they step in, the entranceway disappears behind them, trapping them inside. There are traps, chests of loot, and monsters - constant Mining Fatigue makes it impossible to carve their own path through, so they're forced to navigate the shifting hallways.
  • There are crawling black-purple vines and thorns everywhere, lingering remnants of red but that colour has been bled out of them, appropriated for another master. These vines get thicker the closer to the centre they get.
  • At some point, c!Dream loses c!Tommy in the criss-crossing and confusing platforms and walk ways - he can't quite recall when or how it happened, though.
  • The boss chamber is in the very centre of the Vault, and there he is, the spider in the middle of the web: huge and tall, oversized the way many bosses are (according to Philza), gold-trimmed netherite armour and a gleaming trident, he looks a bit like a creeper hybrid but if he ever was one that was long ago; he's something else now.
  • The boss is surrounded by black-purple vines, and they pierce through him, trailing from him as though he were struck through with a dozen harpoons. Like so many chains, they hold him here - he is as much the master of this dungeon as he is its captive. Total control, but only within, and he cannot leave.
  • He does not want to leave - this place is his. His prison, his home.
  • "So, you've come back to where you belong," the boss says.
  • "I've been waiting for you," the boss says.
  • "I knew you couldn't stay away forever," the boss says.
  • "You belong here," the boss says.
  • c!Dream would like it to be known that at this point he has quite had enough of this dungeon, is wishing he'd listened to Philza when he'd said to stay away, and that his whole body hurts as his flesh remembers what his mind has forgotten. The haunting is an open, unhealed wound.
  • "Hahhh, no, I'm leaving," c!Dream says, distracted, as he tries to figure out an optimal path over the lava lake, where he should leap on the deepslate and netherite rocks and platforms to make it to the door on the opposite side of the room. The boss, surely, will try to stop him, but c!Dream is fast and surefooted - he can dodge any attacks. He thinks.
  • "You will not escape," the boss vows, which c!Dream is very much not a fan of.
  • "You have no right to keep me here!" he says as he sets off running, leaping for the first stepping stone above the scorching lava and using his momentum to carry him to the next. He's got a long way to go.
  • This seems to utterly incense the boss, striking some deep nerve and causing the very walls to shake with his fury as he turns to try to snatch c!Dream.
  • "I am the Master of this Vault!" the boss roars. "I am the Warden."
  • The boss room is nothing but a huge cell, the vines of the boss' power spread so perfectly throughout the dungeon in turn chaining him there. Above, c!Dream can see c!Tommy hovering in the open entranceway he's aiming for, frozen with his crossbow out.
  • As he flies through the boss room and tries to reach the door, c!Dream shouts back the truth that he knows, welling up from somewhere deep inside that only his nightmares can touch:
  • "But you're not, you're the prisoner."
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DSMP x Manhunt crossover where M!Sam gets yeeted into the DSMP and meets c!Sam during the prison arc before he meets anyone else.

Cool! He thinks. Instead of a running game they did an escape room thing!

Then he actually sees the prisoner and uh-oh, there has been a Miscommunication somewhere here. c!Sam is one nasty piece of work, apparently. M!Sam should... solve that.

(POV you're c!Dream and a much friendlier and more understanding version of your captor and Warden appears with him, they disappear off together, and then he returns bloodstained and he hauls you up and over his shoulder kidnapping-a-bride style and takes a leisurely jaunt straight into another dimension, thoroughly ruining all of your plans but also rescuing you from torture. What a day.)

(POV you're c!Techno and you arrive to an empty prison bar the Warden screaming that his evil alternate self just took The Prisoner and that they've both escaped with no trace. What the hell.)

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I'm not going to do anything with this concept but it really is a shame that c!Sam canonically being a stripper in Las Nevadas is not utilised in any way in any version of Guard Dog AU that I've ever seen.

I mean, on paper they're both technically equal employees of c!Quackity, right...? c!Sam picking up extra hours working the pole and acting like this has got NOTHING to do with the fact that c!Dream is usually stationed in the room because the cover story behind this silent masked figure (who's Definitely Not c!Dream Don't Worry Anyone) is that he's security for the workers. It's even true, just not all he is.

POV you drag some shithead off your ex-prison warden (who starved you and isolated you and helped facilitate your torture and slavery and was also the only person you could turn to in the never-ending game of begging for mercy) for getting too handsy and your eyes meet under the strobe lights and you both pretend that nothing happened and that you definitely can't see more of his skin than you ever could before.

POV your ex-prisoner is now the one protecting you and he's 100x more professional about it and also watching him be owned by someone else under another's authority sits very ill with you. He should be bowing his head and obeying the orders of no one but you. He shouldn't be looking at anyone but you.

Anyway, carry on men.

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In the long-awaited next instalment of Blob Dream Body Horror AU, Dream visits Pandora's Vault again, seeking - something. Comfort, perhaps, in this place where he was unmade and reforged. Sam tries to help. Ft. Technoblade's bell.

Content warnings: body horror, emotional/psychological abuse, non-consensual body modification, c!Dream being ultra mega traumatised and c!Sam being incredibly twisted in his worldview. So all the usual stuff for this AU, really. Plus disassociation and an implied anxiety attack that's lasting for several hours.

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home to roost

Sam Prime's being haunted by the ghost of one of his clones, one utterly obsessed with finding a man it calls only the Prisoner.

Dreblr Spooky Week Prompt: DAY 2: THE VEIL IS THIN TONIGHT - MY GHOST IS HAUNTING ME

Content warnings: c!Sam being c!Sam, obsession, ghosts, past character death, implied/referenced torture, implied/referenced starvation, dehumanisation.

This can also be found on AO3.

HOME TO ROOST

“Is there nothing that will satisfy you that is not him?” Sam Prime asks, measured in a way that barely hides the frustration underneath. It’s early afternoon, the sun breaking in through the window to his study, and the sweet scent of spring blooms waft in the air.

The wispy remnant of one of his clones only nominally hears him, too preoccupied with feverishly flipping through the few sketches Sam hired an artist to make, obsessively reviewing and critiquing them under its breath. He’d hoped to distract it, or else send it to some sort of rest, but it seems his plan has backfired: the ghost is all the more anchored into its ideas of regaining power over a man it refuses to name as anything other than Prisoner.

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cdroloisms

not to feed the hell take fires but should i post what is, to this day, one of my favorite threads on c!sam + c!dream Ever

anyway it's been like 15 minutes . behold. i genuinely love this thread like gensrs it's awesome

like where to begin.

"what did c!sam owe c!dream? decency, maybe"

"also implies power imbalance. i can see that for the torture section, but guys."

"this is two guys in a building being dicks"

anyway, anyone in favor of me writing a c!awesamdream fic named Two Guys In A Building Having A Dick Measuring Contest

“abuse necessitates REPEATED actions”

“when we say abuser we typically codify some kind of intimacy 🤭😳”

As it turns out, I am a petty ass. So here's me arguing with that fucking thread. This will be long, so apologies in advance: I will be going point by point and arguing with, assumedly, every single statement provided.

Abuse; to treat with cruelty or violence, especially regularly or repeatedly. Our misguided twitter person (henceforth called T, for convenience, as op has rightfully censored their name to us) claims this is “too personal” a term for how c!Sam treats c!Dream, of course with the clear contrast of the treatment between c!Dream and c!Tommy. T states that c!Sam’s treatment of c!Dream was “largely passive and (…) impersonal. Neglectful, maybe”. Again, with this, T implies that this treatment was weaker, less harmful, than what transpired between c!Dream and c!Tommy. Neglect, as a term, is one of the weaker charges to hold in court- it implies a lesser culpability than recklessness and gross negligence. Passiveness, as well, carries across a meaning of lesser culpability, with inaction being the issue described.

T states this to convey that, thus, the emotional pain to the victim is lesser as well; there is no “deep bond and fucked up sense of love” as T declared c!discduo has. T claims that abuse carries some implication of intimacy between victim and perpetrator. I would like to direct everyone’s attention to workplace abuse, systemic abuse, modern slavery, and many other issues that affect adults who oftentimes have no close relationship with their abusers, but this is of lesser importance.

(rest is under the cut because i do, in fact, argue against like every point)
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elmhat

Something about c!Sam and c!Wilbur both grappling with mental breaks surrounding the idea that the might not be the "good guys." Something about c!Dream rejecting that same traditional idea of morality. The ways in which it twists their lives together.

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airrec

Perhaps (though I know not if you'll strictly agree but here's my take):

It's the difference between "good" or "evil" being something that you do, not something that you are.

c!Sam and c!Wilbur think of themselves as "good people" and therefore the idea that they are not, ultimately, no matter what actions they have taken, "good" is a profound attack on their sense of self. c!Sam, especially, with his assigning of c!Dream as an "evil person" shows this, which bleeds into his perceptions of literally everything c!Dream does.

c!Dream, meanwhile, primarily just thinks of people as "people", with "good" and "evil" being assigned to actions and to intentions rather than it being an inherent trait that comes free with your personhood. He openly recognises some of his actions as "evil" and literally calls them that himself, but insists that he himself is not evil.

People can do both good and evil, because people are complex and nuanced. To call a person "good" is a bit like calling a band you like "good" - what you really mean is "I like a lot of their songs, enough to consider myself a fan of the band as a whole". A "good person" is someone who does a lot of good things, with the bad things they do being rarer or not too serious.

This approach also allows for factors like context and intention to be taken into account when weighing up the morality of actions. "Killing" is evil, but if you add the context of "killing (in self-defence)" is the action still unequivocally "evil", or is there something more to be explored here? Not to mention things like cultural factors, personal factors, emotional factors, etc etc.

Of course, everyone has a personal system of morality and ethics by which they judge both themselves, other people, their own actions and intentions, and the actions and intentions of others. There's never going to be a universally accepted judgement on pretty much anything - something that the "people are (born) either good or bad" approach doesn't allow for, since it relies on absolutes.

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c!Tommy is not the primary reason that either c!Sam or c!Quackity decide to abuse or torture c!Dream. Tommy is a justification that they both use, to different extents and at different times.

The operative impetus that kicks off the torture is NOT Tommy's death: it is Tommy's REVIVAL.

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I still think it was a really weird choice that cdream intentionally got himself thrown in the torture prison he built. Like I feel like he could at least infer that something bad would happen and he never struck me as that self destructive at least in that manner

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oh big agree. big agree with u on that one. though to be fair it wasn’t exactly a torture dungeon when he built it. the torture stuff did come later. like the isolation and starvation were intentional, yeah, but to be fair the daily visits from The Torture Guy were not an inbuilt feature.

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and like, that's not even true. the prison had a visitors system that c!Sam actively just decided to put a stop to. c!Sam was supposed to deliver food to c!Dream personally so he wouldn't be isolated from everyone even if no one came to visit. the food was shit but c!Dream was supposed to be fed regularly. there were things to keep c!Dream entertained to a degree and those were p much taken from him too. the whole clock thing has me going absolutely Mental if I think about it for more than 5 seconds. "he is killing himself for attention" is a line that haunts my every waking hour. so does "I tried everything except physical torture to break him" (may be paraphrased I am lazy to look the exact quote up). c!Dream put c!Sam in charge of the prison because he trusted him and thought he would treat the prisoners like people. the 180 that c!Sam pulled once he was in charge of c!Dream's life was so abrupt and so brutal, it terrified Everyone in his vicinity. I could go on and on about how the prison was meant to suck but the treatment c!Dream was met with was so much harsher than anything he intended, and something that c!Sam Actively Disagreed With but once it was directed at c!Dream he was like "okay but What If" despite being the ultimate authority in the prison.

and that doesn't even begin to consider the aspects of the lore that were only off-handedly mentioned by either Sam or Dream when out of character, and without taking the dubiously canonical MCC roleplay

The original design of Pandora’s Vault was indisputably inhumane, but it’s important to keep in mind that c!Dream built it as a place to be, above all else, physically SAFE. He thought it would be uncomfortable, but he thought he could handle it, because he thought he would be safe.

He built it as a place where he’d have complete security—it was designed to be completely impenetrable to people who meant him harm. He prioritized visitors, complete with a thorough vetting protocol that would ensure they’d pose him no physical threat. There was a courtyard. He had a plan to escape within a relatively short time frame.

And, let’s not forget, he trusted c!Sam. Let’s not act as if c!Dream failing to predict the abuse and torture was, like, a logical oversight rather than a betrayal 😭

also wanna add that, given how much people mention that it's weird that he would throw himself into solitary confinement - he did not throw himself into solitary confinement. the cell was the highest security cell, NOT a solitary confinement. much less a 'no visits' solitary. he expected visitors, from the few lore tidbits we got he expected c!Ranboo to visit At Minimum. the conditions were harsh, but they were not 'see no people except a man who physically tortures him for fun every day for months, eats one potato a week and has absolutely no mental stimulus except committing suicide over and over'

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cdroloisms

I think Dream in prison was always going to go poorly because it would require Sam to be as infallible as Pandora's Vault itself, and he's not. He has way too much personal stake in what Dream is doing, and in trying to force himself to be an emotionless machine that abides only the protocol he became a hypocritical wreck that only indulged his vindictive emotions and spiraled out of control trying to keep the situation steady. That's not even addressing how keeping someone in the prison would never be ethical because it's a psychological torture box designed by the psychological torture guy

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I mean, I can see the argument that it would've been hard to like. Not make Pandora's Vault unethical, considering the size of the server and the fact that he was the only prisoner etc leading to a situation where yeah, he would've been left alone for long stretches of time no matter what, solitary was kinda inevitable, etc. Like I can see an argument for that. But on principle I feel like the influence that protocol had on the prison arc and on c!Sam specifically tends to be heavily overstated...because a significant portion of the prison arc, honestly, is making the point that the protocol was entirely based on what c!Sam determined.

Like, sure, the prison was always going to suck. c!Dream was never going to come out from it entirely unscathed. But there's a huge fucking difference between what he was prepared for (isolation + shitty food for an unspecified amount of time) and what situation he ended up in (his life at the mercy of two people that showed absolutely no damn qualms about literally torturing him). I think it's very fair to say that yeah, c!Sam was far from an unbiased party, and he was very much emotionally affected to his detriment during the prison arc. But...ultimately? I feel like we really don't see c!Sam struggling to maintain protocol over the course of months only to slowly break down. I don't think we see him "snap" and "lose control." necessarily, in the way that people often act is the case. (The strongest argument, in my opinion, in favor of c!Sam being greatly affected by some stressor that then has him turn to extreme cruelty has little to nothing to do with the prison itself and more to do with his brief stint with the Egg, but with so little attention drawn to that as a cause in the story of the prison itself, I feel like this mostly remains in the realm of speculation.)

Like, if we look at the facts, c!Sam's behavior day one was already weirding people out. Day one and c!Dream is already throwing himself in lava and c!Sam does not seem to give a damn. Of course, both of their behaviors had a myriad of reasons behind them, but it's important to note that there's like literally never been a single moment in the prison arc where c!Sam hasn't been, like, off.

We never see any of c!Ranboo's actual prison visits, but we know these happened very very early in c!Dream's imprisonment and that they were terminated quite early as well, once c!Sam discovered c!Ranboo writing in ender in the prison contracts. However, considering how the inside of the prison was the same between his dream and the real world, it is reasonable to say that c!Sam's behavior in the dream could've also been taken from reality, and "he knows what happens [when he disobeys]" is a hell of a statement to make.

c!Bad's prison visit is when things seem to be seriously off. Even if you consider c!Dream's behavior in this stream as entirely an act, c!Sam is noticeably tense after the prison visit and very demanding about what c!Dream said once c!Bad leaves the cell. c!Dream commenting on food being withheld is consistent with what we know happened in the prison arc later on. c!Sam says that c!Dream has been tossing himself in lava for attention. Several comments are made about "behaving" and "behavior," c!Sam is looking into the installation of an automatic feeder, and visitation is facing restrictions.

Pretty crucially, we see that c!Sam is very comfortable with making changes to the prison. Major changes to the prison, even. Installing an automatic feeder isn't exactly an easy process? And it obviously wasn't outlined in any kind of preexisting protocol. But c!Sam is perfectly willing to change this, just as he's perfectly willing to make all kinds of rules on visitation and limiting visitation because of c!Dream's behavior, etc, (which can reasonably be inferred as not being preexisting rules because that would mean that c!Dream, who allegedly helped with the creation of all of these rules, would be intentionally sabotaging his chances of visitation...when he very evidently wanted people to visit? like sorry but that doesn't make any sense) because he's the Warden and therefore the sole authority of Pandora's Vault and allowed to do literally anything he damn well pleases.

Further, sure, c!Dream might be acting in all the prison visits. Sure, he might be acting In General during this time, etc. But despite disobedience (disobedience with the explicit expressed purpose of trying to get c!Sam to spend more time with him...?) I would hardly characterize almost anything he does during these early days as being anything for c!Sam to be reasonably vindictive over. Even if you consider hopping into the lava (something c!Sam could've solved literally as easily as just raising the netherite barrier), tossing the clock into the lava (also preventable if c!Dream can't access the fucking lava????), and a couple alleged escape attempts (the only one that we know of being him trying to use the lectern to create a nether portal, something hardly easy to do and an attempt that c!Sam very evidently put down quite easily)--like. I can understand him being angry because of what c!Dream had done in the past, and obviously being angry because of c!Dream telling him about exile, but c!Dream early on in the prison arc hardly behaves badly. (Not that bad behavior would justify abuse, but you know.)

By the time of c!Sapnap's prison visit, c!Dream isn't the only one acting weird. c!Sam is strange in ways that are never fully explained and uh heavily imply shady shit??? He's not abiding by protocol when he suddenly interrupts the process of helping a visitor out of the prison by forcing c!Sapnap to respawn in order to check on c!Dream for Some Reason. He's once again very persistent about the question of whether or not c!Dream "said anything" and then reacts strangely when c!Sapnap was able to get him to say a word. He's replaced like a quarter of the obsidian in the cell with crying obsidian, which again, is an instance of c!Sam making BIG changes to the prison without protocol or anything dictating his actions. At most you can maybe make the argument that he's being moved by the spirit of the protocol, that being security should be prioritized over everything (hence potatoes instead of steak, hence no courtyard, hence--in this case--crying obsidian to make the escape attempt ineffective) but it's clearly nothing that they explicitly wrote down.

Also, around this time (I forget the exact date) he explicitly bans c!Ranboo from visiting. Also something we can reasonably assume isn't something that was included in any protocol that c!Dream wrote considering his uh, vested interests in continuing to have an informant.

c!Tommy's visit and that ensuing debacle, of course, is one of the first times we see c!Sam clearly, explicitly acting AGAINST the protocol that was established. The protocol outlines that c!Tommy should have stayed in there for at most a week, and c!Sam explicitly denies him from leaving when the time comes??? Even if you argue that he's doing it "for security", he's doing it in a manner that is going directly against the letter of the law of the protocol that he created with c!Dream. This is a clear demonstration that c!Sam sees himself, and acts as if he is above the law of Pandora's Vault, because, of course, he is the law. He is the Sole Authority. He is the Warden, and he answers to no one but himself. c!Tommy's death obviously ensues in quite the emotional fallout for him, and wanting revenge on c!Dream for this matter motivates his actions later on in the arc...but it's important to consider that mistreatment beyond the scope of what c!Dream expected long preceded this point. c!Sam, immediately after c!Tommy dies, describes himself as thinking that c!Dream's will was too broken to do anything like that. Describes himself as having punished c!Dream in every manner that he could think of. He doesn't go in to feed c!Dream for WEEKS after c!Tommy's death, directly leading to c!Tommy himself being isolated and starved post-revival. He bans visitation. All of these matters hardly seem like matters that c!Dream would have included in the prison protocol that he created when he was planning to be put in that prison, where he specifically had a vested interest in keeping himself (and the book) safe + having, like, FOOD + being able to have visitors in a safe manner + NOT being abused?

And even if we dismiss all of this as c!Sam acting in the best interests of security because c!Dream told him that the security of the prison is more important than anything else (which, even though we know that c!Dream did have this perspective to some degree, still doesn't eliminate c!Sam's responsibility as the one carrying out the existing protocol and making all of these Big Decisions and Big Changes etc to the prison) -- the decision to let c!Quackity into the prison stomps on all of that. That decision completely goes against not only the letter of the damn law that they established together, but the spirit of what the prison was ever meant to be in the first place. He compromises the security of the prisoner and the prison on the DAILY by letting in someone in full gear! With items! And plays a game with chance with c!Dream's life (and the revive book) every damn day. He hardly had enough of a system in place to keep c!Quackity from taking c!Dream's life, and he was certainly unable to stop c!Quackity from landing what would've been a killing blow on c!Techno before he got tp-ed out, like. He completely fucks over EVERYTHING that Pandora's Vault was meant to be, and that was...entirely his decision. Sure, c!Quackity manipulated him, true, but he was not beholden by any protocol or any element of his duty when he made this choice.

This isn't to say that c!Sam wasn't very much emotionally affected and making clouded judgements--he was! Especially if you factor in the stress of other events such as the Egg, etc. But I hesitate to ascribe any element of c!Sam's...c!Samness in the prison arc as him "cracking under the pressure," so to speak. The implications of mistreatment just start too early and are too calculated for me to say that he was simply reacting badly to stressors. I think he was absolutely trying his best to keep the situation "steady," in a sense, but keeping it steady never meant simply being an emotionless guardian to an impenetrable prison who couldn't cope as everything began piling up--keeping things steady, as early as that first month, meant breaking c!Dream into something docile. That was intentional. That was something he was making an active effort to do. Nor do I think that the claim that c!Sam was simply abiding by protocol holds any water, as I outline above: c!Sam has always acted above the protocol established in the prison to the point where even from the first time we see him acting as Warden during that first damn questionaire a specific point is made that he is the ultimate authority on the grounds of the Vault and his word is law. He acted within protocol when convenient to him and trampled over it when convenient to him, and I feel that people can overemphasize the role that protocol played in the decisions he made the same way that he himself did when he was shifting the blame of his own abusive actions onto c!Dream when he had the power, and always had the power, to amend the protocol established in any way he damn well pleased.

Of course, this isn't to say that the protocol was good. It, uh, wasn't--and plenty of people have criticized c!Dream for them even though the prison, as it ended up being used for his plans, was never anything more than a place for him to put himself because of the danger that the rest of the server presented, a base for him to hide in after the prison arc because of its security measures, and a "just-in-case" measure for them to hold their enemies if need be (which he never actually does, even when given golden opportunities to do so: inconsolable differences and the finale come to mind. Even if we're talking about his saw trap in the finale, the plan was to kill one and let the other go free (????????) while also giving them the exact items that could've easily been the keys to their escapes. after c!Tommy and c!Tubbo kill him. but I digress). But c!Sam goes so damn far beyond the protocol established by the "psychological torture guy" that he literally wasn't even beholden to when he was the Warden of the Vault on account of said guy being his prisoner. I don't really see any arguments about c!Sam's behavior having to do with him being too fallible of a man for the job he was given--he does exactly what he wants to do, how he wants to do it, using the job that gives him the power to do so. It's just that "what he wants to do" is not exactly what c!Dream had in mind when he and c!Sam were coming up with the plans for the prison and the protocol that they worked together to create because what he wants to do is, apparently, own a guy and keep him in his hell box. You know?

(i hope this didn't read too aggressively!)

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very unlikely and out of character, BUT if csam had apologized at all in daedalus, showed any remorse, would cdream forgive him ? or at least not killed him?

here's the thing about Daedalus: Dream's revenge was inevitable. Dream was always going to kill Sam, no matter what Sam said, because the reasons that Dream kills Sam in Daedalus are a) established over a year's worth of the kind of treatment that Dream will never recover from, that he still can't wrap his head around, and b) not, Dream has convinced himself, about his personal feelings for Sam at all, necessarily. It's the conflation of the personal and the professional: Sam's treatment requires a response, and Dream knows this.

Sam has betrayed him in a way that it's hard for Dream to process, but Dream knows there's a way to treat traitors.

it's not even that Dream's afraid of being perceived as weak by other people, per se: I think it's more about his own self-image. Is he going to be the kind of person who keeps letting Sam do as he pleases, or not? Is he going to show Sam that betraying him was a mistake, or not? Is he going to let Sam persist in the belief that there won't be consequences for the things he's done, or not?

And all of that is irrelevant on a certain level to whether or not Sam feels remorse and whether or not Dream believes that remorse.

On top of all that, Dream would view Sam having such a huge change of heart so soon as the height of weakness and hypocrisy. Sam does express a modicum of an apology in Daedalus--not a true one by any means, moreso a feeble defense of his own moral compunctions--but he calls the torture "regrettable", and Dream mocks him for it.

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