Ok so hear me out, villain (angationist) Jotaro. I can't get this thought out of my head. A Jojo Discord server I'm in had a whole ass debate about scenarios for this during an alternate stone ocean.
Scenario 1: Jotaro after years of stand bull shimata(sh*t) is fed up with stands and seeks to rid the world of stands and their users.
Scenario 2: Aims to achieve Star Platinum Over Heaven to change his past and that of his bloodline.
Scenario 3: Jotaro sides with Pucci but it's a ploy to achieve his own goals.
Scenario 4: Ropes his entire family into siding with him on a scenario 1 esque plan.
As you can see, that night sure was productive. What do you think of these? How would u rank them? What's your favorite?
Okay it’s not quite what you asked, but this made my brain ZOOM with a possible AU idea
what if at some point prior to Part 6, Jolyne dies. Maybe one of Jotaro’s enemies found and killed her, maybe it was a complete accident, but bottom line is she’s dead
And Jotaro…….. just fucking snaps
He’s angry, he’s grieving, and after years and years of trying to outrun his trauma and fears everything comes crashing down all at once. Every fight, every death, every ally he made along the way who got hurt, the countless innocents who’d gotten caught in the crossfire, EVERYTHING all at once and at the worst possible moment
He doesn’t want this. He never wanted this, not when he was 17 and in that jail cell, not when he killed Dio, not when he went to Morioh and especially not right now
……and then he remembers the book he’d found in Dio’s mansion. About Attaining Heaven and recreating the world to be perfect
At the time he’d brushed it off as the ramblings of an insane megalomaniac
but now that’s he’s a bit less sound of mind…… it seems like the perfect option
Part 6 goes……. pretty much COMPLETELY differently. With Jolyne dead, Jotaro “on” Pucci’s side and her friends not even really together, there’s functionally nobody standing in their way since nobody even knows there’s any danger to begin with. After all, Jotaro is still incredibly intelligent and knows better than to make needless enemies. He has no desire for anymore bloodshed amongst his family, so he’s going to take every possible precaution necessary to keep them out of the loop
And what if his end goal is a mix of Options 1 and 2. To erase any and every Stand from existence, leaving their Users as normal people and ensuring his family never had to suffer their fates. And he is not exempt from this, his plans include getting rid of Star as well. He has no desire to rule or lead, he just wants this nightmare to be done and over
Now, I don’t know too much about EoH(I’m planning on watching a cutscene complication when I finish Jojolion), but my base knowledge is that Someone(maybe Dio?) is trying to fuck with the universe and all the Jojo’s across the timeline end up meeting and working together
So what if this evil Jotaro ends up traveling back in time as well to various point. After all, he can already mess with time and the Universe, why not go back far enough to save his friend’s lives……. but then things get a bit messy and he accidentally starts dragging people from all around the timeline and it becomes a whole mess
and for some added fun, what if they don’t know it’s Jotaro at first. They just think it’s some new evil Stand User trying to stir shit up again and are prepared to deal with him
However……. eventually they notice there’s something different about their enemy. Because again, Jotaro doesn’t want to kill anyone. He just wants them all to be safe and happy and normal and is ready to tear the universe apart to accomplish that
I’d imagine he almost crumbles apart when he sees Jolyne for the first time. She’s grown up to be big and strong and the hole in his heart for her aches at the ferocity she fights him with, but he’d rather her be alive and despise him than dead dead dead the ground just like his home universe
And when his identity and reasons ARE revealed…… ho boy is that going to hit like a bus. At this point the group had probably gotten to know the Good Jotaros(possibly multiple of them because of Time Fuckery), so seeing how far this one had been driven? The brink he’d been shoved to? It’s going to be both terrifying and also the saddest thing they’ve seen. That the man before them lost EVERYTHING, and now was doing everything he could to get it back
YESSSSSSS
Jonathan, while he doesn't fully understand what's going on, is firmly on the side of Hey This Doesn't Seem Very Good How About You Don't Break The Universe-. 3taro is in a similar boat but with the added terror of possibly becoming this in the future, so he wants to stop it all NOW. As for Jolyne..... I can see her initially in this group, but what if later down the line when she learns the reason why Jotaro is doing all this, it gets a bit more complicated and she starts to learn more to Team "Let's Try And Talk This Out"
Speaking of which, Josuke and Oldseph probably picked this side because they know Jotaro. They've fought alongside him, protected each other, been vulnerable, and even with what he's doing right now they can still see pieces of the Jotaro they once knew. The fact that he'd been so shattered, that he'd been driven to this brink...... it breaks their hearts and they want nothing more than to help him. Heck, they might even be a bit angry too at their counterparts. Why had they let this happen, Why weren’t they there for him, why hadn’t they done something, etc etc
4taro though...... he's on the team for a slightly different reason.
At this point, Jolyne has been born. She's 7 years old, and 4taro already knows that as wrong as this is....... he's not fully confident he wouldn't do the same thing. It's almost painful to admit, but he knows deep down that if anything happened to Jolyne, he would do exactly what Jotaro was doing right now. It would feel hypocritical to oppose him in such a way, but he also can’t just let this happen, so he decides to try and compromise
And Joseph and Giorno....... ho boy these two. Out of all the Jojos, I'd say these two are the most shrewd. They can weigh the pros and cons and can think circles around many others, but most importantly these two know how to identify when a battle's been lost. And well...... Jotaro isn't really doing anything that bad in their eyes. He's made it clear he doesn't want to kill anyone, and there is a ridiculous amount of evidence to back his claims about the damage Stands do. Plus...... they've both been facing the brunt of supernatural cruelty. Joseph can see how Jonathan's loss pains his granny and uncle even decades later, his own parent's lives were ruined by the remains of Dio's vampires, and the Pillarmen have commit genocides. Giorno's been chased by magic mafia members for the last several days who don't give a damn who gets caught in the crossfire and clearly are never going to care. And this is of course BEFORE both groups loose the people they care about in the fight
It's definitely going to be a massive source of contention amongst them all, and that's not even touching on the thoughts of their friends and everyone else involved
Speaking of Jobro's most of them are present and they're on the following teams.
Team How Bout You Don't Break The Universe Or Else: Part1 Speedwagon, Ceasar, Ermes
Team Let's Talk Things Out: Lisa Lisa, Part5 Polnareff (Turtle Pol), Kakyoin, Koichi, Emporo
Team This Is Fine: Part2 Speedwagon, Part3 Polnareff, Okuyasu
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Of course, from here, we have three factions, each with a different goal and plan on how to deal with Heaven Assention Jotaro. Later, likely after an hours long shouting match followed by a slight brawl started by the joots and jolyne. A compremise is reached. Those who'd rather let Jotaro be will watch things from afar, and those who'd like to talk things out with Jotaro have one chance a meeting which will be the deciding factor for the pro killing Jotaro faction.
To say this meeting doesn't go well is an understatement, the Joestar Collective had 19 people on their side vs HA Jotaro now it's 14 vs HA Jotaro and 5 former collective members.
Where exactly did it all go wrong you might ask? Simple HA Jotaro is a hell of a manipulator, on top of some people already seeing the merit of his plan.
When given the time to speak, he calmly says the following
"Aren't you all tired of losing..."
"Jiji, you lost an arm, Polnareff your whole body is gone, and Giorno everyone you traveled with except 3 died"
"Those tragedies are but a few, everyone here has lost something"
"Don't you think it's time for us to do something about it"
"I can, and I will"
"You need only ask, and I will change your life for the better"
"So... who's with me"
Or something like that (I wrote this on a break a work). Any thoughts who'd join HA Jotaro? Would anyone, would a brawl break out right here?
HOHOHHOHO I AM GRINNING LIKE A MADMAN OVER HERE
My only counterpoint for the team distribution is flipping Part 3 Pol and Part 5 Pol, since as of Part 5...... Polnareff's gone through some shit. Everything of Part 3, plus the SHITSHOW of Part 5 and the loss of his body, I'd say after/during P5 Pol would be more likely to jump on the This Is Fine team. There's also how I don't think it would be that far out there to suggest P5 Polnareff had met, or at least known of, Jolyne's existence. Learning Jotaro is doing this to bring back his dead daughter? That might just be the final push to get him to agree
I actually had a hell of a time picking where each Polnareff would go. So I definitely get where you’re coming from. But yeah, Polnareff probably at least knows Jolyne exists he might even have uncle status. So I'd respect him being team This Is Fine.
How do you think negotiations with Shattered Jotaro go? Would team This Is Fine defect from the Joestar Collective?
This could go so many ways. I'd love to see what you think.