You just know that Eowyn can’t have been the only woman disguised on the field of battle.
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Okay, we’ve all seen these before. Simply reblog and replace my answers with your own. We all get to talk about Tolkien (which is awesome), and we all get to learn a bit about each other (which is awesome.)
HISTORY
- First Tolkien Book: lord of the rings
- Age at First Reading: thirteen or fourteen
- Who/What Introduced You?: parent
- First Favorite Character: bilbo
CURRENT EVENTS
- Currently Reading (By Tolkien): going to reread fellowship shortly!
- Fan of the Movies?: meh. i can enjoy jackson's lotr but don't even get me started on his hobbit trilogy
- Plan to Read Next: see above
FAVORITES
(lmao how am i supposed to even choose some of these)
- Story: narn i chîn húrin.
- Race/Culture: secondborn
- Male Character: túrin, gwindor, húrin, orodreth.
- Female Character: morwen, finduilas, nienor, aerin.
- Romantic Relationship: túrin and níniel, in its gloriously tragic context. túrin and finduilas. morwen and húrin, finduilas and gwindor. finduilas and nienor for something less canonically based. ;)
- Friendship: túrin and gwindor. túrin and sador. aerin and morwen -- any friendship between women! as well as any of those in the above category.
- Location: the shire, dorthonion.
- Battle: pelennor fields.
- Song: a elbereth gilthoniel.
- Of the Trilogy: return of the king.
- Member of the Fellowship: peregrin took.
- Villain: glaurung.
- Elf: finduilas, gwindor.
- Dwarf: mîm.
- Man/Woman: ...húrin's family. ha
- Hobbit: pippin. belladonna took, in her offscreen glory.
- Valar/Maiar: uinen.
- Other: huan! ents are pretty cool too.
BOLD WHAT YOU’VE READ
The Hobbit, The Fellowship of the Ring, The Two Towers, The Return of the King, The Silmarillion, The Unfinished Tales, The Children of Hurin, The Histories of Middle Earth (volumes 1, 2, 3, 10, 11, 12), The Book of Lost Tales, Leaf by Niggle, Farmer Giles of Ham, On Fairy Stories, The Adventures of Tom Bombadil, The Letters of J.R.R. Tolkien, The Atlas of Middle Earth
A note on Tolkien's canon -
- in leuit of the issue of LaCE coming up again, let’s just remember that, yes, the Noldor were the primary example and so it is not perhaps nessecary to apply it to all races of elves, it may not even need be applied at all.
After all, it is the Laws and Customs of the Eldar - laws and customs. I make this point, because it is arguable that it is not in the scientific nature of elves to bond themselves into marriage with sex, but rather, the cultural norm - nature versus nurture, if you will. If you look at it in this way, you can easily see Tolkien’s Catholic influence in his writings, and take that out of the equation, who is to say that it is the automatic and not concious thought of an individual that causes the Fea to respond in the whole bonding thing of marriage?
Fear don’t even have to come into it, if you don’t want. Tolkien did not say that it was in the biological nature of elves for this rule of sex to exist, but rather, it is a physcological thing, is it not? So if you want to ignore it, because your character simply does not believe in it - even if they are Noldo - it is perfectly reasonable to suggest that still works within the contstraints of canon.
Make the canon work for you - Tolkien didn’t say that elves didn’t exist in homosexual polyamorous relationships, so why surpress that expression if you don’t want to? Make it work for you, don’t become a slave to the semantics of one essay.
probably my favorite musical rendition of the hymn to elbereth, idgaf
*whispers*
Tolkien almost never describes fashion. It doesn’t have to be Hollywood Medieval.
#tolkien actually said that he didn't really imagine that type of thing #and just sort of vaguely imagined lots of chainmail #psssst europeans aren't the only people to wear mail #idk it just seems there's a lot of #aha here are the main characters in generic movie fashions #aha here are the otherized characters in ~exotic~ costumes #art and fancasts and idkkkk i'm a bit uncomfortable about it tbh #the characters aren't necessarily white and their cultures aren't necessarily theme park european medieval
Yes, to all of this. I'm not actually opposed to medieval-europe-inspired designs in other-world fantasies (in which historical accuracy can go out the window), but I yearn to see more variety overall, especially if a story features characters from different cultures or locations (without exotified othering, please). And this adherence to all-white or white-dominant casting has been an even greater issue. :/
On costuming, though: my general guideline is that it should ultimately be rooted in reality -- not the reality of our world, but in that which the characters inhabit. Regardless of culture, designs and fabrics should be reflective of factors such as wealth, purpose, and climate. This was my primary issue with the elves' costuming in the Lord of the Rings movies -- while many of the gowns were beautifully constructed, they would be utterly impractical in many contexts.
Rivendell is placed at a fairly northern latitude, at the foot of the mountains. The bulk of story happens between December and March. Arwen would have been freezing in some of her scenes -- elves may have greater resistance to the cold, but they aren't completely impervious to the elements. And the dress she wears when departing Rivendell looks better suited for ceremonial or formal events than for travelling through the woods in the winter!
I know I'm supposed to just marvel at the beauty and the magic, but it bothers me.
Man oh Mandarin, that’s a great trilogy.
I am not going to do anything with you: not if you mean by that “do something to you” without your leave. We might do some things together.
Meanwhile, Treebeard is a strong supporter of enthusiastic consent
this might be the best out-of-context quote that I have EVER seen
whispers no
aragorn is not a man of gondor
he is a ranger from the north and no
his bloodline is not relevant
his acts when he was wandering east are not relevant
he has not suffered through the tribulations of gondor in recent years
he would not even be after the throne if not for arwen
(reminder that elrond told him he could marry her when he reclaimed the kingdom of gondor and arnor which feel out of the hands of the kings and into the hands of the far more competent stewards after earnur)
he doesn’t even have as much elvish blood as boromir and faramir
his right to gondor is supported solely by dicks
Nichelle Nichols as Gandwif the Grey—Gandwif was one of the five Istari sent to Middle-earth by the Valar in the Third Age. In Valinor she was known as Olóriel. Gandwif was instrumental in bringing about the demise of Sauron in the Third Age, chiefly by encouraging others and dispensing her wisdom at pivotal times. Gandalf was originally robed in grey, and second to Saruvan in the Order of wizards. After her fall in Moria, Gandwif returned to Middle-earth as head of the Order, robed in white. Gandwif was noteworthy for her keen interest in pipe-smoking, and the Hobbits who instructed her in the art.
(part of the series YOU LOOK UPON A WOMAN, a project which reimagines Lord of the Rings with a cast of women of color)
I think I’m nearing the finish line on this thing.
Unpopular Tolkien Opinions
Inspired by all the recent Serious Discussion about divisive questions in the fandom, I thought I’d make this to answer the really important ones.
Reblog with your answers!
- Do Balrogs Have Wings? fire demons are like snowflakes: no two are alike. some of them have wings, some of them don't.
- Do Elves Have Pointy Ears? no. leaves come in many shapes, so their ears could look like the canadian maple for all we know.
- What Color is Legolas’ Hair? dark brown.
- What Color is Celegorm’s Hair? based on his old english name's etymology, (dark) flaxen blond (fagerfeox > fairfax = “fair-haired”).
- Did Amras Die At Losgar? yes.
in any case there would still be enough bloody fëanorians running around - Who is Gil-Galad’s Father? depends what mood i'm in... fine, i'll go with orodreth for now (b/c recent conversations), who is galadriel's younger brother. (eta: usually fingon though).
- Dior: Mortal or Immortal? immortal. he was obviously reincarnated and would go on to establish a cosmetics company in his name. (eta: yes, i know it doesn't really make sense, but i haven't seen it any other way because isn't he referred to as one of the half-elves? to be fair i'm kinda ambivalent on dior anyways).
- What Happened to Elured and Elurin?
went to narniadied. - Celeborn: Teleri or Sindar? sindar, don't give me any of that prince teleporno crap.
The recorded history of Middle-earth centers on the Elves and those Men who joined them. Little is known about the others, those inhabitants of Eriador, Rhovanion and Gondor who were not reckoned, however loosely, among the Elf-friends. In Gondor they became eventually known as the "Middle Men", the decisive distinction from the "Men of Darkness" being their political attitude towards Elves and Númenóreans. They as well as the Dwarves mostly ignored them, however, the Hobbits had no accounts transmitted, official Dúnedain and Rohirrim policy undifferentiatedly stamped them with labels reading "wild" and often "Enemy" despite their own remote ancestors, the Three Houses of the Edain, being related to them. Thus, the story of their fates was never compiled but spread in mere glimpses across numerous sources. It is, however, worth the task to extract their many-faceted history from the available material.
What do German tree guardians say when they bump into each other?
Ent-schuldigung.